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pigoo3
08-26-2014, 05:26 PM
Bunch of stories going around today regarding Apple set to release/launch a 12.9" iPad "Pro" in Early 2015:

12.9-inch Apple 'iPad Pro' Reportedly Launching Early Next Year - IGN (http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/08/26/129-inch-apple-ipad-pro-reportedly-launching-early-next-year)

- Nick

chscag
08-26-2014, 06:07 PM
Before I buy a tablet that large (doesn't matter if it's from Apple or another manufacturer) I'll spend my money on a real computer: A MacBook Air or 13.3" MacBook Pro. An iPad Pro that large with retina screen is going to come in close to $1K depending on flash memory and if it's cellular capable.

pigoo3
08-26-2014, 06:56 PM
It will be interesting to see if a 12.9" "iPad Pro" will just be a super-sized iPad…or something different. Also of course it will be interesting to see the price. A 12.9" iPad Pro's price has either got to be a lot higher than the $499 entry level price for current iPads…or the price of current iPads needs to drop a bunch!:)

I'm thinking that with the Microsoft Surface 3 and the Samsung Galaxy TabPro & NotePro (all with 12"+ display's)…Apple feels they need to have something larger.

Hopefully it's not just an "up-sized" iPad.;)

- Nick

chscag
08-26-2014, 07:06 PM
For the fun of it, I got on the Microsoft Store site and priced out a Surface Pro 3 with a 256 GB SSD and added a keyboard and case. If I remember correctly, it came out to around $1300. There is no way I would ever pay that much for anything Microsoft even if it is a convertible. :P

pigoo3
08-26-2014, 11:45 PM
I haven't really researched the Surface Pro 3…but I'm assuming that all the expensive electronics are in the display part of the unit. And the keyboard that attaches to it…is really just a keyboard & trackpad & cover.

But if this is the case…$1300 for a 12" Microsoft tablet is pretty freakin' expensive. If the "pricing gap" of Apple hardware vs. other hardware was maintained…geez…what's a 12.9" iPad Pro going to cost from Apple.

Unless…this is finally going to be a product that Apple pricing vs. competitor pricing is on a even footing. None of the Mac vs. PC pricing.:)

- Nick

p.s. Actually (due to writing this post)…I did research (for my own knowledge) that the Surface Pro 3 keyboard/trackpad/cover is just that…no real additional electronics.:)

chas_m
08-29-2014, 02:14 AM
I'm very skeptical of this story. Apple tends to offer products that solve problems, and I'm not seeing where you need a heavier 13" iPad to carry around. The iPad mini is said to outsell the iPad Air at least 2:1.

EDIT: It occurs to me that there is a niche that could be served by a *mounted* iPad of that size, so I can't rule out entirely.

XJ-linux
08-29-2014, 02:06 PM
13" iPad -vs- 13" MacBook Air.... Hmmm... I'll keep with the MBA and wait until they come with 16GB memory before I upgrade again.

chscag
08-29-2014, 02:17 PM
I'll keep with the MBA and wait until they come with 16GB memory before I upgrade again.

Same here. I'd love an 11" MBA but with the way they're currently configured, there's not enough bang for the buck, at least in my opinion. Although Macworld Mag rates them right up there with the 13" model.

pigoo3
08-29-2014, 11:07 PM
If the price of a 12.9" iPad Pro is very similar to a 13" MacBook Air or 13" MacBook Pro…HELLO…give me a full fledged notebook/laptop computer!:) Too much competition between these two products.

On the other hand…one way to boost 12.9" iPad Pro sales…would be to stop selling all notebook/laptop computers (I don't think that this is going to happen anytime soon). Then there wouldn't be any competition for products with an approx. 13" display.

This is why I say if a 12.9" iPad Pro is going to cost me over $1000…it better do a lot more than what current iPads can do!;)

- Nick

lclev
08-30-2014, 06:56 PM
Just a thought. Could this be a back door entry into a touch screen laptop? Add a magnetically attachable keyboard, touchpad, cover to it and you have .... an iPad Surface! One of the problems with the iPad is the lack of a comfortably attachable keyboard. Everything out there is bulky. Add the fact apple does not have a laptop with a touch screen. While I don't like touch screen laptops a lot of people do.

Would an iPad style laptop with a larger screen appeal to the business community? Also in education, iPads have proven to be great for elementary level but not as useful moving up to high school due to a lack of a larger keyboard.

Of course they would have to devise a way to support the iPad while using the keyboard. Microsoft has the kick stand but it has, what I consider to be, a huge drawback which is lap support. As I sit here typing on my 13" MB AIr which is seated on my lap, I don't have to worry about balancing the kick stand or a flimsy keyboard with limited palm rests.

It will be interesting to see if they go for the larger size. If that is all they do I don't see the purpose for it. I love my iPad mini and I love my MB Air so I don't see me in the market for a larger iPad. I sold my iPad 4 because it was too big for what I use it for.

Lisa

pigoo3
08-30-2014, 11:08 PM
Just a thought. Could this be a back door entry into a touch screen laptop? Add a magnetically attachable keyboard, touchpad, cover to it and you have .... an iPad Surface!

Apple is usually not a "me too" sort of company. So if Apple did this...they would be copying a product that Microsoft (and I think Samsung) already have. But you never know in a post Steve Jobs Apple.;)

I think that we need to keep an eye on what ports are included in an iPad Pro...and that may give us a clue if a product like this will be launched (or will be significantly different than current 9.7" iPad's).

- Nick

Nighthawk4
09-01-2014, 08:37 AM
An Apple 'Surface' will be far too expensive - just as the Microsoft one is.

On the other hand, I would expect the Apple one would be far more desirable and more functional.

However, I don't think they really need a larger iPad. A large iPhone would be a much better idea, even if that proves to be too expensive as well :)

chscag
09-01-2014, 02:31 PM
Well, Apple just announced a big press event for September 9. The rumor mill has it that we'll see a new iPhone with a larger screen and possibly two different sized screens for the new iPhone.

lclev
09-01-2014, 02:50 PM
Well, Apple just announced a big press event for September 9. The rumor mill has it that we'll see a new iPhone with a larger screen and possibly two different sized screens for the new iPhone.

Do you mean iPad not iPhone - right? We can already guess there will be to iPhone screen sizes. What is up for questions is the release date on the larger iPhone - something about battery issues or screen composition....not sure.

Lisa

chscag
09-01-2014, 02:57 PM
They didn't mention anything at all about a new iPad or larger sized iPad. The only thing that came out was the two supposedly new iPhone sized screens for the 6. The iPad Mini has been outselling all the other iPads. It just doesn't make sense for Apple to try to compete with the MS Surface Pro or any of the other large screen tablets.

I played around with the Surface Pro 3 at Staples the other day - one that had the fancy looking blue keyboard hooked to it. I was not impressed - especially with the price! :(

chas_m
09-02-2014, 02:27 AM
While nobody knows for sure what we'll get on September 9, Apple **tends** to focus its events on one "area" at a time. So I could see the event being about iPhones and maybe some new software that is a huge selling point for the new iPhones, but not an event where we have iPhones, iPads, Yosemite, iOS 8 and by the way here's a new Apple TV. That's just not Apple's usual style.

Luther Mac
09-26-2014, 04:54 AM
I haven't really researched the Surface Pro 3…but I'm assuming that all the expensive electronics are in the display part of the unit. And the keyboard that attaches to it…is really just a keyboard & trackpad & cover.

But if this is the case…$1300 for a 12" Microsoft tablet is pretty freakin' expensive. If the "pricing gap" of Apple hardware vs. other hardware was maintained…geez…what's a 12.9" iPad Pro going to cost from Apple.

Unless…this is finally going to be a product that Apple pricing vs. competitor pricing is on a even footing. None of the Mac vs. PC pricing.:)

- Nick

p.s. Actually (due to writing this post)…I did research (for my own knowledge) that the Surface Pro 3 keyboard/trackpad/cover is just that…no real additional electronics.:)


Is it at all really a Apple vs Microsoft thing tho?

As far as I thought, the Surface isnt even relevant. I could be wrong tho. I just didnt think people actually bought Microsoft products anymore.

It's Apple vs Android. That is the real heavyweight battle.

GregR
09-26-2014, 05:09 AM
12.9" ??

That will bend for sure :-p

chas_m
09-26-2014, 07:00 AM
This whole "bend" nonsense is about as accurately reported as "antennagate," and I predict will ultimately end up with the media wearing egg on its face again. This is an effort to manipulate the stock and/or dampen sales enthusiasm for the iPhone 6 Plus, and absolutely nothing more than that. At best -- giving as much credibility as possible to this non-story -- Apple may have a batch of iPhone 6 units that are defectively assembled.

http://www.electronista.com/articles/14/09/25/suggests.media.attention.overblown/

http://www.electronista.com/articles/14/09/25/schiller.suggests.owners.with.bent.iphones.visit.a pple.stores/

http://www.electronista.com/articles/14/09/25/apple.copes.with.two.simultaneous.crises/

http://9to5mac.com/2014/09/24/iphone-6-toughest-iphone-yet-as-it-passes-all-squaretrades-breakability-tests/

Blazbo
01-02-2015, 09:52 PM
Has anyone heard of an update on the "New iPad Pro" rumours?

During Q3 & 4 of last year there were rumours/suggestions that in early 2015 there would be an update/new model iPad.

Just curious, I'm lugging my MBP 15" everywhere at present. I want to leave the MBP home (reducing bag weight) and get a tablet to travel with - just emails and some "interweb" browsing.

pigoo3
01-03-2015, 12:35 AM
The latest launch date rumor I've seen for an iPad Pro is at least mid-2015…and maybe later. But who knows with rumors.;)

- Nick

chas_m
01-03-2015, 10:07 AM
I'm doubting this one a lot. For one thing, nobody so far has been able to give me a good reason why Apple would make something that big. It's not like with smartphones where larger-sized displays have been popular. Nobody buys non-iPads (seriously, Android tablet sales are TINY), and that means even fewer nobodies buy >nine-inch tablets.

Second, battery life would be terrible. Weight would be terrible.

Third, broke people who can't afford a smartphone + tablet just buy a phablet. This larger iPad doesn't solve any problems I can think of. Possibly some enterprise-level people might want something like this for embedded solutions (think on-table touchscreen menus at airport eateries), but consumers are simply not clamoring for larger iPads.

Finally, every single source I can find for this story comes from DigiTimes originally -- and they have, to put it mildly, a spotty track record on this. It's not impossible, but I very much doubt it will be a consumer-oriented product.

Blazbo
01-04-2015, 12:49 AM
OK crew members thanx for the FB.
With doubt/no confirmation on the new iPad Pro - its size and possible release - and my requirement for a tablet sized device, perhaps there should be a new thread?

iPad V's Other Tablets (incl the Surface) - probably in >iPad hardware and devices.

Or do you know a thread that compares these devices?

I have read a few (distant) comparison threads but can't find one dedicated to this. Hopefully there will be feedback from users/owners on all sides.

Wadayarekon?

Blaz

chscag
01-04-2015, 02:38 AM
Or do you know a thread that compares these devices?

A thread that compared Apple tablets with a MS Surface Pro would likely lead to a flaming thread (if you know what I mean). You can find reviews for the Surface Pro 3 in PC World, PC Mag, and other magazines. Likewise you can find lots of reviews on the various iPad models Apple sells.

I've played around with a Surface Pro 3 at Staples (US chain store) and rather liked it. However, when I began to price one out with enough memory, speed, keyboard, and stand/case, it was actually more expensive than an iPad Air 2.

bobtomay
01-04-2015, 08:39 AM
A thread that compared Apple tablets with a MS Surface Pro would likely lead to a flaming thread (if you know what I mean). You can find reviews for the Surface Pro 3 in PC World, PC Mag, and other magazines. Likewise you can find lots of reviews on the various iPad models Apple sells.

I've played around with a Surface Pro 3 at Staples (US chain store) and rather liked it. However, when I began to price one out with enough memory, speed, keyboard, and stand/case, it was actually more expensive than an iPad Air 2.


While that is true, it has a full blown operating system.
The SP3 is not a competitor of the iPad, it competes directly with the MacBook Air.
And the price is the same or less than I paid for my current MacBook Air.

I have been seriously considering the Surface Pro 3 exactly for what it is - a device that I can carry around as a tablet onto job sites having a touch screen, true multi-tasking capabilities, ability to install whatever apps I want, a real email app, ability to share docs on the lan without all the hassle that is iOS, I can go on...

imho, MS has now taken the lead here.
Apple's users have been asking for a touch screen in a MacBook for years. Where is it?

chas_m
01-04-2015, 09:25 AM
Mac users have not been asking for a touchscreen. Because it's a dumb idea.

Sales of the Surface, I think, make the case better than anything I could come up with. Sales of touchscreen Android or Windows tablet hybrids pale in comparison to the iPad. Clearly there's not much of a market for these devices.

If you need a notebook, get a notebook. If you need a tablet, get an iPad (and maybe a keyboard case, which I've found quite useful). The market has spoken fairly clearly on this.

bobtomay
01-04-2015, 09:51 AM
I've seen requests for a touch screen MacBook since at least 2007.
Not much of a market does not imply no market. Not everything has to be mass market.
The market had spoken pretty clearly that there was no market for tablets prior to the iPad also.
Just because something does not exist at a certain point in time, that does not equate there being no market for it.
Else, none of us would have refrigerators, TVs, music playing devices, air conditioners, etc. sitting in our homes.

I, personally want a fully functional operating system in a touch screen tablet - not Android, not iOS. Windows, Linux or OS X. One I can take onto a construction site and carry with one hand while writing, making annotations and notes with the other - this certainly is not convenient with a notebook - and seamlessly moving between applications and having more than 1 app on screen at a time.

Sales of the Surface, I think reflect it's current price point and the low end hardware sitting in it, than anything else.
If it had a real video card in it, I would already have one sitting here.

chas_m
01-04-2015, 09:54 AM
Well it does sound like you're part of the very niche market that the Surface is aimed at, so I hope it works out for you. Pity the only OS option to run on it is Windows ... :)

bobtomay
01-04-2015, 10:55 AM
And the 2nd reason I haven't parted with my cash yet.

Although, if it had a real video card, I would have already bit the bullet.
It's Windows and I can't game on it is a real downer.

chas_m
01-04-2015, 10:59 AM
You shouldn't have time to game on construction sites, young man!! (wags finger)

bobtomay
01-04-2015, 11:00 AM
Well, you know, I would like to use it sitting in my recliner at home also... :)

chscag
01-04-2015, 01:49 PM
I guess we'll have to wait and see if MS sticks with the Surface Pro line. There has been some rumors about a new SP when Windows 10 goes live some time this year.

Right now, I'm debating on getting an iPhone 6+. What irks me a bit is that it does not come in a 32 GB configuration - which is what I want. But I guess most folks want and need more space than I do. :P

chas_m
01-05-2015, 01:35 AM
I think Apple recent reason on this is sound. There are basically two types of iPhone buyers:

a. People who want to store every darn piece of media they've ever bought or stolen in their pocket.

b. People who primarily use the iPhone for a few key apps and not as an entertainment center.

For (b), you get the 16GB model. For (a), you get for just $100 more, four times as much storage (or for $200 over the base model, eight times as much storage).

The 64GB version is *exactly* the same price as what the 32GB version would have cost ($100 more than the 16GB version). Looking at it that way, BONUS!! :)

Exodist
01-14-2015, 03:40 AM
12.9" is pretty large.. Like WOW for a tablet. I am sure they will sell. But its not for me. I have a iPad Mini and it does not get used much as all unless I am traveling. I have tried to use it for youtube video create and blogging. But turns out the apps are half assed written and often converts to the language of the country I am visiting without me being able to change it. Which sucks. Sorry can't read mandarin.. But this is Googles ignorance and not Apples. SO I end up using my wife's and mine 13"MBA, which runs everything I need. Ya know its looking like my next machine may actually be a MBP, just wished they made a Quad core 13" model..

disturbed13
01-17-2015, 09:02 PM
for anyone that makes music with Logic Pro X, a 13 touch screen to act as a second controller would be super!

Exodist
01-17-2015, 11:18 PM
I stared at my MBA the other night. We already heard they will be making a 12" model and doing away with the 13" and 11" models. But I was looking at the ports and this is what I came up with.

Keep magsafe and headphone on the left, remove the USB 3.
Then keep the Thunderbolt and remove the USB and Card Reader, add USB C to this side.
Last include a USB C to USB 3.0 connector like that have did in the past with TB to DVI.

This pushes the new tech out to you, but still insures you can use your current apple devices.

As far as loosing the SDXC card reader. Yea it sucks, but still can use the cables that come with our cameras, it just slower..

As far as the adapter, I have the Lightning to USB adapter for my iPod. Would not take R&D 30mins to make a USB C to USB 3.0 adapter in Solidworks and have the blueprints approved in one day.

XJ-linux
01-18-2015, 11:26 AM
The SD reader is great... if you have Sony SD cards. My dedicated camera doesn't so for me it's wasted space. :(

Exodist
01-19-2015, 09:18 AM
The SD reader is great... if you have Sony SD cards. My dedicated camera doesn't so for me it's wasted space. :(

Pretty much all cameras have SD cards these days.. But since Apple keeps pushing how great their iPhone camera is. I can see them ditching the SD card reader.

But lets look at this. The MBA is a entry level laptop option. Those who have will use this for Photos are likely iPhone users or users of a small point and shoot. Most point and shoot users only have one card and thats the one thats in their camera. Plus all cameras even my DSLRs come with USB cables for transferring files.. So does the MBA need a SD card reader, really no. My wife would not be happy, but hey. She will just get out the usb cable in her bag and not worry about it.

Then there are users like myself (semi pro) who have 7 or 8 or more professional SD cards. While I have used her MBA on vacation for photos. I would not use this all the time. Thus I need something more like the MBP.

But then again, there are the Pro Pros like Scott Kelby who shoot on a Canon 1DX, those cameras even down to the Canon 6D use mainly CF cards. While they also have SD cards in them. Some feel they are only back up. I myself feel CF is a thing of the past, but thats a whole other debate. But anyway those users will have their own USB Compact Flash card reader which often have a SD slot on those anyway..

So does any of the MacBooks need a SD card reader? No not really at all. Its nice to have, but really if it didn't I would just buy a quality SD card reader and move on myself.

Besides, wireless is getting more popular.. Heck I would like to see more quality Bluetooth devices that work as great as my Apple Keyboard and Mouse.