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dtravis7
06-10-2013, 03:35 PM
Apple announces flatter, sleeker iOS 7 | Ars Technica (http://arstechnica.com/apple/2013/06/apple-announces-flatter-sleeker-ios-7/)

I do NOT like it so far. Just have one pic but with that I am sorry, no like. I know MANY here will love it, but not me.

Sorry.

TattooedMac
06-10-2013, 03:38 PM
Watching it live ATM Dennis, its a lot cleaner than the OLD iOS look, and i like it and love the new Multitasking.

dtravis7
06-10-2013, 03:43 PM
I am sure multitasking is great, but the look to me looks drab, dead. Like I said many especially Android people will love it.

Slydude
06-10-2013, 04:02 PM
I am liking the features and the fact that it will work on my iPhone 4. Not sure I like the inter ace. I like the idea of an app looking like the thing it represents (notes looks like a notepad etc).

OneMoreThing...
06-10-2013, 04:10 PM
Apple announces iOS 7 (http://www.tuaw.com/2013/06/10/apple-announces-ios-7/)




Read more (http://www.tuaw.com/2013/06/10/apple-announces-ios-7/)

CrimsonRequiem
06-10-2013, 04:12 PM
I'm not going to pass judgement on it just yet. At least not until I can actually get to play with it. So far it looks very streamlined and the color palette is brighter. They got rid of the felt and wood stuff in game center. Thank god.

Not sure about the transparency overlays. >_>"

Chris H.
06-10-2013, 05:01 PM
I am now itching to have this on my devices.

And this is really beautiful. I wonder what folders look like in iOS 7...

mrplow
06-10-2013, 05:04 PM
Looks stunning to me. Exactly the direction I hoped it would go but better. Can't wait to grab the beta but the dev site seems overloaded at the moment

osxx
06-10-2013, 05:23 PM
I will wait till I can get hands on before commenting so far I think I like what I saw.

quin
06-10-2013, 06:05 PM
Looks a bit like Window 7 with the translucent. Modern design in the overall fonts and the almost 'vector' like graphics without losing the original design of iOS 6, which people that use the devices have gotten used to. Like they said, to blend the familiarity with the new without getting people totally lost.

Chris H.
06-10-2013, 11:12 PM
Looks a bit like Window 7 with the translucent. Modern design in the overall fonts and the almost 'vector' like graphics without losing the original design of iOS 6, which people that use the devices have gotten used to. Like they said, to blend the familiarity with the new without getting people totally lost.

I'm staring at Win7 right now...when you have a pinned program open, or even the SM open...still a glossy look.

With that being said, the new look of iOS reminds me of a cross between Metro and Google Chrome OS (the latest version). It looks better than the best of the two though IMO.

CrimsonRequiem
06-11-2013, 01:45 AM
I'm staring at Win7 right now...when you have a pinned program open, or even the SM open...still a glossy look.

With that being said, the new look of iOS reminds me of a cross between Metro and Google Chrome OS (the latest version). It looks better than the best of the two though IMO.

Watch the Android fan boys say that Google should sue Apple for ripping off their UI. >_>"

Anyways finally got home and started updating my iPhone.

Anyone else get to play with it yet? XD

Doug b
06-11-2013, 03:20 AM
Watch the Android fan boys say that Google should sue Apple for ripping off their UI. >_>"

Anyways finally got home and started updating my iPhone.

Anyone else get to play with it yet? XD

I'm no fanboy on either side, but if you want people to be honest.. that's what you're going to hear. Remember Web OS that got bought out by stupid HP and went belly up? Yeah, back in 2009, they created web cards.. guess what that looks exactly like in iOS 7?


iOS 7 does look beautiful though *IMO and aside from folders/icons* from every other aspect. And to their credit, for a derivative OS, it's very slick and intuitive.

Doug

CrimsonRequiem
06-11-2013, 03:25 AM
I'm no fanboy on either side, but if you want people to be honest.. that's what you're going to hear. Remember Web OS that got bought out by stupid HP and went belly up? Yeah, back in 2009, they created web cards.. guess what that looks exactly like in iOS 7?

Every single feature in iOS 7, I've had forever with my Android phone. The least they could have done is to integrate widgets on the home screens. At least then we could start getting away from icons/folders. Kind of over those.

iOS 7 does look beautiful though *IMO and aside from dull folders/icons* from every other aspect. And to their credit, for a derivative OS, it's very slick and intuitive.

Doug

I don't have an Android device to compare it to but looking from afar they definitely look a lot more similar now. Link (http://www.fastcodesign.com/1672799/5-ideas-apple-gleefully-stole-from-google-twitter-and-microsoft#1)y.

I'm a lot more happy with Notification center now. It's not some dinky little drop down menu with tiny text anymore. I wish it was a little more customizable. >_<"

TattooedMac
06-11-2013, 06:15 AM
Anyone else get to play with it yet? XD

Yes Me :)
I Love finally control centre to have all the most used Settings in the up swipe Toggle :)
Photos has the WOW factor for me. Today, Weeks Years Places and can sorted into any of them, very slick and polished.
Ill play more before i write more.

One thing @ CR WHERE THE HECK IS ***SpotLight*** ???? and i learnt how to close Apps for good :) took a little playing that one. No more holding your finger down Just a swipe UP hahaha

EDIT : One thing I'm not liking is the Colour of the folders and their Label. I have now had to put a dark background on my phone to see the Label and tone down the Folders :( Ill be sending in a report on that one

mrplow
06-11-2013, 07:59 AM
Spotlight? just swipe down in the middle of any screen like an 'update' gesture

Groovetube
06-11-2013, 08:08 AM
I'm no fanboy on either side, but if you want people to be honest.. that's what you're going to hear. Remember Web OS that got bought out by stupid HP and went belly up? Yeah, back in 2009, they created web cards.. guess what that looks exactly like in iOS 7?

Every single feature in iOS 7, I've had forever with my Android phone. The least they could have done is to integrate widgets on the home screens. At least then we could start getting away from icons/folders. Kind of over those.

iOS 7 does look beautiful though *IMO and aside from dull folders/icons* from every other aspect. And to their credit, for a derivative OS, it's very slick and intuitive.

Doug
+1 on the widget thing.

While I'm happy to see finally some movement on iOS, I've wanted to see something past this icon based screen stuff. I've resisted the urge to get an S4 mainly because I prefer the apple app eco system, but why is apple so steadfastly opposed to losing their obsession with the icon thing?

I have a dev acct, but I've never put a beta on my phone mainly because I use the hell out of it. But I'm tempted tis time. But there's no going back. Is it stable?

TattooedMac
06-11-2013, 08:50 AM
Spotlight? just swipe down in the middle of any screen like an 'update' gesture

Thanks man. It wasn't so easy to find that one ;)


Is it stable?

Ive had the springboard go off twice in 12 Hrs, and both times was i was in Photo's, but is sprang back in like 6-7 Secs

Lifeisabeach
06-11-2013, 10:53 AM
Apple announces flatter, sleeker iOS 7 | Ars Technica (http://arstechnica.com/apple/2013/06/apple-announces-flatter-sleeker-ios-7/)

I do NOT like it so far. Just have one pic but with that I am sorry, no like. I know MANY here will love it, but not me.

Sorry.

You are not alone. I hate the new look. Not that I didn't think the current look needed some tweaking, but this is so ugly.

MYmacROX
06-11-2013, 01:41 PM
I watched Keynote last night. I'm quite impressed. This was a long time coming, and I think Apple really nailed it - at least from what I saw. I think the tiles/icons are such a stark contrast to what we see right now that it's overwhelming to some people. It's very flat compared to the current "clunky" look. But that doesn't mean it's too flat.

iggibar
06-11-2013, 01:55 PM
I actually like it. Looks much freshened up, and I was one who got bored with the iPhone/iOS and ditched it. Looking forward to the next gen.

CrimsonRequiem
06-11-2013, 02:24 PM
I actually like it. Looks much freshened up, and I was one who got bored with the iPhone/iOS and ditched it. Looking forward to the next gen.

I wouldn't say that I was actually bored with iOS. It was just limited compared to what a jail broken IOS, and Android devices could do. Now that the new iO7 I'm content with most of the new features and improvements. Of course there is always room for more improvement.

vansmith
06-11-2013, 04:45 PM
Watch the Android fan boys say that Google should sue Apple for ripping off their UI. >_>"Because they did. If they claim that they didn't get inspiration from Google on the general aesthetic, they're lying. The card UI for multitasking is a rip off of WP8's multitasking functionality (it so blatant it's almost free from contestation) which itself is ripped off from webOS (as lifeisabeach pointed out). The "pull up" tray with the advanced functionality is almost a direct copy of Android's advanced notifications. The icon "flatness" copies Google's new web and app aesthetics (at least in iOS applications) and the transparency and semi-transparent icons copy Sailfish's aesthetic. The rest of it is flat which, although I think it looks nice, isn't all that revolutionary. Do I think the new UI is nice? Absolutely. Do I think it's original? No unless you count copying from a collection of other operating systems as "unique."

EDIT: As Thom at OSNews points out here (http://www.osnews.com/story/27115/Apple_unveils_iOS_7) (and something I forgot to mention):
Overall though, it's pretty clear that Apple took a lot - a lot - of inspiration from Metro and Google's Holo, and mashed them together on top of iOS, without actually changing the underlying workings of the UI. In that sense, it feels more like a flat theme than an actual redesign of the UI. Let me also note that, unlike some others, I have no issues with companies copying each other. In fact, I like the trend towards simplistic, digital design, so Apple following the trend that especially Microsoft has been championing for a few years is a good thing in my view.Yes, you read that right and it's so obvious it hurts - Microsoft has become the aesthetic lead in the mobile space, inspiring the giants (Apple and Google) to go minimal. The company no one ever associates with aesthetic dominance has now become the trend setter for mobile (and for Google, their web products as well) design.

dtravis7
06-11-2013, 06:06 PM
Van, I agree on W8. It's probably the nicest Mobile OS out there at least what I see of it.

And now that it's mentioned I do see Web OS all over IOS7. Interesting. It's all coming back to me now. I missed Web OS and loved it when it first came out.

vansmith
06-11-2013, 06:33 PM
I'm okay with Apple adapting works from other designs - everyone does it anyway and really, pushing developers to improve their own work in light of competition is an okay thing. Hopefully though, this will quell a rather one sided discussion in which people (rather obliviously) generally argue that innovation and copying were one way (Apple outwards). The adaptation here is blatant and couldn't be more obvious unless Apple actually acknowledged it. Is this a problem? Like I said, not really. However, I think this speaks to Ive's lack of experience with iOS. He can design innovative hardware with (seemingly) relative ease but it appears that he struggled to truly innovate aesthetically and in terms of basic functionality with iOS 7. I still think this will be an awesome upgrade but I struggle to say that this is groundbreaking (despite the lofty rhetoric that floats out of Apple's marketing department).

dtravis7
06-11-2013, 06:51 PM
My issue is Apple always accusing others of stealing from them! Remember Jobs, Microsoft, Turn on the Photo Copiers!

vansmith
06-11-2013, 07:13 PM
Here's (http://www.theverge.com/apple/2013/6/10/4416726/the-design-of-ios-7-simply-confusing) an interesting article on The Verge about some of the more subtle changes. Although highly critical (he does point out some things that might be jarring for novice and possibly some seasoned users), he does seem to suggest that this might be workable for the future if Apple makes a few tweaks. Although I don't agree with all that he's said, it's an interesting read.

chscag
06-11-2013, 07:22 PM
My issue is Apple always accusing others of stealing from them! Remember Jobs, Microsoft, Turn on the Photo Copiers!

ROFL. We all know how that turned out Dennis. But I can hardly wait until I read the reply to Van's post above from a certain person living in Vancouver, BC. ;P

TattooedMac
06-12-2013, 12:35 AM
I actually like it. Looks much freshened up, and I was one who got bored with the iPhone/iOS and ditched it. Looking forward to the next gen.


I wouldn't say that I was actually bored with iOS. It was just limited compared to what a jail broken IOS, and Android devices could do. Now that the new iO7 I'm content with most of the new features and improvements. Of course there is always room for more improvement.

Agreed with both here. I wasn't really bored with iOS6, but i wasn't excited to dive in and use it, and now that i have my iPad Mini, i find my phone is taking the back seat. Over the last 2 days now, iP5 is back in action, and i suppose i can drop that down to be trying out all the features.
Now what I'm a little concerned about is AirDrop. They mentioned Airdrop on the Phone for the Phone :-/ That how i saw it, because Schiller danced around the stage and said "at least you don't have to go around bumbling phones together" a dig at Samsung and i laughed, and in Photos it says, AirDrop ~
Share with people instantly with people nearby. If they don't appear automatically, ask them to open Control Center and turn on AirDrop
Now I'm wondering why they haven't let that be to Macs Airdrop ?? Its not that hard is it ??

CrimsonRequiem
06-12-2013, 04:28 AM
Agreed with both here. I wasn't really bored with iOS6, but i wasn't excited to dive in and use it, and now that i have my iPad Mini, i find my phone is taking the back seat. Over the last 2 days now, iP5 is back in action, and i suppose i can drop that down to be trying out all the features.
Now what I'm a little concerned about is AirDrop. They mentioned Airdrop on the Phone for the Phone :-/ That how i saw it, because Schiller danced around the stage and said "at least you don't have to go around bumbling phones together" a dig at Samsung and i laughed, and in Photos it says, AirDrop ~
Now I'm wondering why they haven't let that be to Macs Airdrop ?? Its not that hard is it ??

Wished they would enable Airdrop to work with all Mac products instead of just iPhones and iOS.

TattooedMac
06-12-2013, 07:58 AM
Wished they would enable Airdrop to work with all Mac products instead of just iPhones and iOS.

Touché

Lifeisabeach
06-12-2013, 11:37 AM
Wished they would enable Airdrop to work with all Mac products instead of just iPhones and iOS.

Huh? AirDrop is on OS X. Been there since 10.7 Lion.

In other news... I watched the WWDC keynote last night and I'm a LOT more impressed with iOS 7. I still think the icons pretty much suck, but I'm seeing clear influences from Metro and WebOS and mostly in positive ways. I've always been impressed with the typography in Metro and some of its design aesthetics. I'm baffled by some who think it draws off Android... even Ars Technica had an article making that claim and the points drawn were just completely stupid.

CrimsonRequiem
06-12-2013, 11:49 AM
Huh? AirDrop is on OS X. Been there since 10.7 Lion.

In other news... I watched the WWDC keynote last night and I'm a LOT more impressed with iOS 7. I still think the icons pretty much suck, but I'm seeing clear influences from Metro and WebOS and mostly in positive ways. I've always been impressed with the iconography in Metro and some of its design aesthetics. I'm baffled by some who think it draws off Android... even Ars Technica had an article making that claim and the points drawn were just completely stupid.

Yes but it doesn't work with the iPhone to Mac. Not in iOS7 as of yet.

vansmith
06-12-2013, 12:00 PM
I'm baffled by some who think it draws off Android... even Ars Technica had an article making that claim and the points drawn were just completely stupid.I thought the same thing. Their examples were weak at best. However, there are some elements of Android that crept in (enhanced notifications and quick settings with control centre and the overall "flattening" of the OS is something that Google and Microsoft have been doing for quite some time). If anything though, they brought some Lumias into Ive's office and said "how can we emulate this as best we can?" (not Android devices).

Lifeisabeach
06-12-2013, 12:11 PM
Yes but it doesn't work with the iPhone to Mac. Not in iOS7 as of yet.

Ah. Well that's nutty. I'm wondering if it will with Mavericks. They are switching from AFP to SMBX (an implementation of SMB2) for file sharing so presumably AirPlay on iOS 7 is using that also.

CrimsonRequiem
06-12-2013, 01:18 PM
Ah. Well that's nutty. I'm wondering if it will with Mavericks. They are switching from AFP to SMBX (an implementation of SMB2) for file sharing so presumably AirPlay on iOS 7 is using that also.

It's still in beta 1 so there is still time for them to add features and change things.

Chris H.
06-12-2013, 03:11 PM
Spotlight? just swipe down in the middle of any screen like an 'update' gesture

Sooo...it's no longer to the right of the first home screen? (Speaking of which, where's the home screen dots?)

TattooedMac
06-12-2013, 09:55 PM
Ah. Well that's nutty. I'm wondering if it will with Mavericks. They are switching from AFP to SMBX (an implementation of SMB2) for file sharing so presumably AirPlay on iOS 7 is using that also.

But there was no mention of this in the Keynote, and they had both iOS 7 and Mavericks right there, Shiller was more interested in saying "At least we don't have to go around bumping phones together" lol and laughed, but absolutely no mention in the Keynote and even in iOS 7 all it says if someone near you with iPhone tell them to turn it on :( Im not seeing come Phone to Mac to Phone :(

EDIT : Has anyone noticed the subtle tribute to Steve Jobs in iOS 7 ?? Look Below :)

TattooedMac
06-13-2013, 12:45 AM
It's still in beta 1 so there is still time for them to add features and change things.


Ah. Well that's nutty. I'm wondering if it will with Mavericks. They are switching from AFP to SMBX (an implementation of SMB2) for file sharing so presumably AirPlay on iOS 7 is using that also.


Yes but it doesn't work with the iPhone to Mac. Not in iOS7 as of yet.


Huh? AirDrop is on OS X. Been there since 10.7 Lion.

In other news... I watched the WWDC keynote last night and I'm a LOT more impressed with iOS 7. I still think the icons pretty much suck, but I'm seeing clear influences from Metro and WebOS and mostly in positive ways. I've always been impressed with the typography in Metro and some of its design aesthetics. I'm baffled by some who think it draws off Android... even Ars Technica had an article making that claim and the points drawn were just completely stupid.

What i have discovered is AirDrop on iOS 7 is using Bluetooth to do this File Sharing thing. I was playing with it trying to get work with the Mac, and when i turned it on, i noticed the Bluetooth Icon in Control Centre turn on. I then tapped the Bluetooth Icon and my AirDrop turned off.
Now if someone with iOS 6 has Bluetooth turned on, Airdrop doesn't see them or can't discover them, as i found out with my missus and her iOS 6. So the BlueTooth or WiFi is a encrypted transfer. Cant find out more on what .v Bluetooth it is, as to iOS6 but I'm digging deeper :)

CrimsonRequiem
06-13-2013, 12:46 AM
But there was no mention of this in the Keynote, and they had both iOS 7 and Mavericks right there, Shiller was more interested in saying "At least we don't have to go around bumping phones together" lol and laughed, but absolutely no mention in the Keynote and even in iOS 7 all it says if someone near you with iPhone tell them to turn it on :( Im not seeing come Phone to Mac to Phone :(

EDIT : Has anyone noticed the subtle tribute to Steve Jobs in iOS 7 ?? Look Below :)

I'm using this app (https://bu.mp/) to send things back and forth between my Phone and iMac. Kind of wish Airplay on iOS7 was like this without the actual bumping. XD Airplay on iOS7 apparently is only enabled on iPhone 5 and the newer generation iPad and iPad mini.

Lifeisabeach
06-13-2013, 09:56 AM
The more I look at some of the screen caps and think about the video, the more I hate the new look. The icons are still butt-ugly. But it's not just that. I got to thinking about why I disliked Windows 7. I thought the UI was gorgeous, but ultimately I realized that it just got in the way. I was more like "ooohh... pretty!" and paying less attention to doing anything. Eye candy for the sake of eye candy is counter-productive. In that same way, the way the wallpaper has "depth" and you can see under the icons as you tilt/rotate the phone.... whoopdie doo. There's no practical purpose for it. Eye candy for the sake of eye candy. Same thing for effects like the frosted glass where you see what's underneath the Control Center, for example. If you can't use it, why give hints that it's there? It's just distracting.

I read an article yesterday that Jony Ives brought in the marketing team to come up with a plan for the UI changes, then the design team had to work based off their decisions. That suddenly makes sense. Eye candy for the sake of eye candy. That just reeks of a marketing decision.

vansmith
06-13-2013, 01:08 PM
I will happily admit that I emphatically argued that iOS needed a new facelift and, to Apple's credit, they took a cleaver to iOS and redesigned just about every facet of iOS from an aesthetic point of view. How well this translates into added functionality is a different question. I know that people such as Mark Shuttleworth have argued that "pretty" is a feature (source (http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/63)) but that connection isn't always present. Making iOS look good is one thing (I admit that I like the simplicity of it despite some extraneous eye-candy) but, as many have noted, this hasn't translated into much new functionality that truly innovates.


Control centre? Welcome to Android of a few years back.
New Notification Center? Still catching up to Android (seriously, how hard is it to let me remove notifications on a per notification basis?).
Multitasking? webOS had that very same design (almost completely so) back in 2009.
Filters on a camera? Great, my Nexus has had that functionality for ages now.
The new photos app? It's certainly new but that additions don't seem all that useful (zooming out to see microscopic versions of all pictures taken in a year is more of a bug than a feature).
AirDrop is genuinely useful and much more elegant that Android Beam assuming you have a WiFi connection.
Safari got nothing but a facelift.
iCloud Keychain however is awesome but that's not iOS specific.
iTunes Radio? Not an American nor do I stream music on the go so I'll reserve judgment (it does look elegantly designed though).
Siri no longer has a robotic voice? Neither does Google Now. That said, it looks like Siri in iOS 7 is going to jump ahead of Google Now in terms of it's personal assistance. But, as someone who refuses to speak to his phone, I don't really care (which is why I prefer Google Now's contextual card interface).
The Activation requirement built into Find my iPhone is genuinely awesome though. That really needs to be built into Android (come on Google, the only phone finding feature you have is for Google Apps users).
iOS in the car looks interesting but as someone who doesn't own a car, I'm indifferent about this one.

I know that I'm always critical of iOS and I'm well aware of the fact that I much prefer Android over iOS. That said, I'm willing to give iOS credit where credit is due. At this point though, all I see is a cosmetic makeover with few genuinely useful features that actually push iOS ahead (AirDrop) instead of simply pushing them in the same league (Control Centre).

CrimsonRequiem
06-13-2013, 07:32 PM
I will happily admit that I emphatically argued that iOS needed a new facelift and, to Apple's credit, they took a cleaver to iOS and redesigned just about every facet of iOS from an aesthetic point of view. How well this translates into added functionality is a different question. I know that people such as Mark Shuttleworth have argued that "pretty" is a feature (source (http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/63)) but that connection isn't always present. Making iOS look good is one thing (I admit that I like the simplicity of it despite some extraneous eye-candy) but, as many have noted, this hasn't translated into much new functionality that truly innovates.


Control centre? Welcome to Android of a few years back.
New Notification Center? Still catching up to Android (seriously, how hard is it to let me remove notifications on a per notification basis?).
Multitasking? webOS had that very same design (almost completely so) back in 2009.
Filters on a camera? Great, my Nexus has had that functionality for ages now.
The new photos app? It's certainly new but that additions don't seem all that useful (zooming out to see microscopic versions of all pictures taken in a year is more of a bug than a feature).
AirDrop is genuinely useful and much more elegant that Android Beam assuming you have a WiFi connection.
Safari got nothing but a facelift.
iCloud Keychain however is awesome but that's not iOS specific.
iTunes Radio? Not an American nor do I stream music on the go so I'll reserve judgment (it does look elegantly designed though).
Siri no longer has a robotic voice? Neither does Google Now. That said, it looks like Siri in iOS 7 is going to jump ahead of Google Now in terms of it's personal assistance. But, as someone who refuses to speak to his phone, I don't really care (which is why I prefer Google Now's contextual card interface).
The Activation requirement built into Find my iPhone is genuinely awesome though. That really needs to be built into Android (come on Google, the only phone finding feature you have is for Google Apps users).
iOS in the car looks interesting but as someone who doesn't own a car, I'm indifferent about this one.

I know that I'm always critical of iOS and I'm well aware of the fact that I much prefer Android over iOS. That said, I'm willing to give iOS credit where credit is due. At this point though, all I see is a cosmetic makeover with few genuinely useful features that actually push iOS ahead (AirDrop) instead of simply pushing them in the same league (Control Centre).

Was this (http://www.fastcodesign.com/1672819/who-designed-ios-7-s-icons-apple-s-marketing-department) the article you were referring to by chance?

vansmith
06-13-2013, 09:01 PM
No but I share some of the sentiments. Although I vehemently argued for a redesign, I've always felt that it needed to be accompanied by genuine additions to functionality. It would seem though that Apple overemphasized the iOS design over functionality.

Groovetube
06-14-2013, 03:10 PM
I kinda share some of those disappointments in iOS7, though I like the platform (and recently updated our phones to the 5) it really does seem like this update is more about redesign than real functional enhancements.

I really, really want what android has, the customizable screens that are apps not these damn grids of icons. I know very little about android and don't know what it's called, but a few times I've seen the S4 in action and wonder, what the heck is apple doing?

I know apple is king, has the great app thing, etc etc, but it just seems to me, like this really great thing, is beginning to run out of steam a little.

Perhaps I'll be shown wrong once iOS7 is released. I have a dev acct., so I could install the beta, but a few friends have and said it's a little unstable yet. I use my phone too much to risk that, so maybe the second beta.

vansmith
06-14-2013, 03:31 PM
I really, really want what android has, the customizable screens that are apps not these damn grids of icons. I know very little about android and don't know what it's called, but a few times I've seen the S4 in action and wonder, what the heck is apple doing?.Gooood, goooood, come to the dark side...

Dysfunction
06-14-2013, 05:28 PM
it really does seem like this update is more about redesign than real functional enhancements.
.

UI redo is cheaper.

Groovetube
06-14-2013, 07:45 PM
UI redo is cheaper.

sure, but it isn't like they don't have bales of cash to pull it off.

Dysfunction
06-14-2013, 08:10 PM
sure, but it isn't like they don't have bales of cash to pull it off.

Yep, but cheaper and faster to market wins. Innovation, not so much.

Groovetube
06-14-2013, 08:20 PM
Yep, but cheaper and faster to market wins. Innovation, not so much.

hmm. I'm not sure I fully agree with this. It was Apple's innovation that got them their winning products in the first place. You could argue, it was a first, but smartphones were already long on the market before apple's iPhone. So it wasn't the speed to the market that won there.

From what I see of iOS7, I don't see a whole lot of 'fast to the market' really here. I think APple's command of the market allows them to set the pace for innovation, why concern themselves with the others? Perhaps that's lapsed a little too long now.

To me, Apple has in general been about redefining computing and gadgets, iOS7 so far, kinda falls short there for me. They've had plenty of time to rethink a lot, perhaps we'll see more in iOS8. If not, I just may head to the dark side. For all the hue and cry over copyright infringements, I have to say I like what I see in Android. I'm not ready to jump ship yet, but I'm hoping to see a lot more from iOS.