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baggss
02-14-2012, 03:26 AM
This has been discussed before, but I'll bring it up again. Why in the world has MF not gone to custom titles? I'm sick of "Senior Member" and the like and I think we should be able to put whatever we like in that little box, even if it's the default. I know the forum software can do this, other forums I belong to that use this software do it.

What's the deal?

iggibar
02-14-2012, 09:12 AM
I actually like it this way. I know other places have different setups, but in those, you don't have a system of organizing people based on where they fit in the community, unless they have a separate identifier.

RavingMac
02-14-2012, 09:16 AM
This has been discussed before, but I'll bring it up again. Why in the world has MF not gone to custom titles? I'm sick of "Senior Member" and the like and I think we should be able to put whatever we like in that little box, even if it's the default. I know the forum software can do this, other forums I belong to that use this software do it.

What's the deal?

If we go that way then I claim dibs on

Emperor of the Eastern Shores

(Doesn't mean anything in particular, but I've always liked the sound of it) ;)

MYmacROX
02-14-2012, 12:32 PM
I see no problem with the way things are.

Having said that, a change is welcomed too as long as the forum titles are clear and concise enough not to confuse first-time visitors and newbies. The last thing we want is a bunch of threads in the wrong forums because someone doesn't know where to post.

chscag
02-14-2012, 12:52 PM
This has been discussed before, but I'll bring it up again. Why in the world has MF not gone to custom titles?

We'll certainly be happy to give it another look. Thanks for your suggestion.

cwa107
02-14-2012, 12:54 PM
In my opinion, having custom user titles negates their purpose.

The title should make you instantly recognizable by other members - whether that's as staff, retired staff, the member of the month or whatever.

Not having that kind of identification would be like having the super bowl where the players, coaching staff and officials wear street clothes. You could probably figure out what's going on, but it wouldn't be until the 3rd quarter and by that time, most of the crowd would be disoriented or frustrated.

baggss
02-14-2012, 07:00 PM
Not having that kind of identification would be like having the super bowl where the players, coaching staff and officials wear street clothes. You could probably figure out what's going on, but it wouldn't be until the 3rd quarter and by that time, most of the crowd would be disoriented or frustrated.

I would agree with that, except for the greed dotted visual of the Rep system and the post count. I think anyone can look at my info in apost and figure out that I've been here a long time and have a good rep, I don't need the "Senior member" badge to distinguish myself. I don't think any disorientation would occure.

Heck, this one feature alone might be enough to get me to fork over some $$$ for a "Premium Membership"....

cwa107
02-14-2012, 07:12 PM
I change your badge if it bothers you - it's really not a big deal. Schweb instituted this as a reward, I don't think he ever anticipated that anyone would see it differently.

I.M.O.G.
02-14-2012, 07:43 PM
I think anyone can look at my info in apost and figure out that I've been here a long time and have a good rep

"Every post is a self portrait of its poster" - someone somewhere has that line in their signature, and I've always agreed with it. There are other indicators about a member of a forum, but there is no better measure than the composition of each post. :D

I like having set titles though as well. The signature is the logical personalization area, so if the title area doesn't serve a distinct purpose, it kind of serves no purpose in my mind. Not that its a big deal - some sites let users set them themselves, and that works too. A little fun is good, but when it comes to forum layout stuff I tend to think like Spock.

robduckyworth
02-14-2012, 09:37 PM
I would agree with that, except for the greed dotted visual of the Rep system and the post count. I think anyone can look at my info in apost and figure out that I've been here a long time and have a good rep..

Not necessarily. Think of it from a switchers point of view, particularly someone with no previous forum experience. Having a load of crazy titles is going to confuse these users.

The way I see it - titles are there so you can easily distinguish between members. Signatures are designed for personalisation.

baggss
02-15-2012, 03:30 AM
I change your badge if it bothers you - it's really not a big deal. Schweb instituted this as a reward, I don't think he ever anticipated that anyone would see it differently.

I think Schweb and I talked about this at one point after the change was instituted, but I think he decided it was fine as it was and left it. I'm just opting for more choice for the members here is all, but if the consensus is that it should be left as it is, then so be it.

That being said though, I do find it odd that the staff/owners chose to give us a new skin (change for the sake of change....and make it the default one too...yes I know it can be changed) but are not willing to give the members a simple option like custom titles. The Glacial entity always knows best....

madwolfe
02-15-2012, 10:01 AM
I am a member of a forum that implements a system where you have your name up top, a custom title below that and below that is you badge (Whether it is Member, Senior Member, Staff). Since the custom title is not compulsory, it allows those who wish for their own to make it so.

Maybe a similar system could be used here?

I.M.O.G.
02-15-2012, 12:34 PM
I think Schweb and I talked about this at one point after the change was instituted, but I think he decided it was fine as it was and left it. I'm just opting for more choice for the members here is all, but if the consensus is that it should be left as it is, then so be it.

That being said though, I do find it odd that the staff/owners chose to give us a new skin (change for the sake of change....and make it the default one too...yes I know it can be changed) but are not willing to give the members a simple option like custom titles. The Glacial entity always knows best....

Volunteers make the decisions here - they put in the time, and they play the largest part in carrying the site forward. Community asked for the redesign for a long time, and the old skin was very dated. Staying trendy and relevant could be considered important for a site focused solely on a trendy and relevant brand. I wouldn't consider it accurate to place a comparison between design and layout of the entire site, and custom user titles. :)

My opinion here is nothing more than an opinion though - its the members who make up the volunteer staff here that determine how the site is run and what is instituted for the community. I may make suggestions, but my responsibility here is understanding what staff here wants and ensuring they are supported well. :) Their responsibility is ensuring they consider what is best for the community, and ensuring their needs are communicated as appropriate - they are best suited for that job.

The glacial entity has nothing to do with this decision, except we'll trust and support what the staff believes to be best for the community.

Aptmunich
02-15-2012, 03:21 PM
Thanks for that Matt!

Custom titles can also turn into yet another data point that needs to be monitored, moderated and debated, so I'm personally somewhat hesitant to go down that road again. We have enough to deal with keeping spam, trolls and other miscreants out, not to mention the shocking amount of time spent dealing with inappropriate or offensive signatures.

pendlewitch
02-15-2012, 03:59 PM
Hey Baggss,
Your longevity, rep and postability is phenomenal and that makes you very very senior to me in a good way.
Now about that avatar....

RavingMac
02-15-2012, 04:11 PM
How about if we let members with more than 10,000 posts and 10 green rep dots do a custom badge? The Staff could always monitor and override if things got out of hand.

@Baggss: Curious now, what Title did you have in mind, if you don't mind sharing that?

baggss
02-15-2012, 06:00 PM
The glacial entity has nothing to do with this decision, except we'll trust and support what the staff believes to be best for the community.

I never said that iNet alone comprised the "Glacial Entity", in fact I've always considered the staff to be part of it, voulenteers or not and the comment by APTMINICH
highlights that IMO.

And don't even get me started on the "new" skin discussion, I'm trying to not jump on that horse.


How about if we let members with more than 10,000 posts and 10 green rep dots do a custom badge? The Staff could always monitor and override if things got out of hand.

@Baggss: Curious now, what Title did you have in mind, if you don't mind sharing that?


I don't have anything specific in mind, I always allow experinces in the individual forums to lead me to a title. For example over at iLounge my title is "Stoopid Ameican rednek" with the mispellings being intetional. The origins are some years old but stem from a discussion about politics that we had at the time. Folks who have been around there as long as I have know the story and get the joke, but the title is still fun to have. What would I have here? Maybe just "General PITA" which is how, I have been told, some of the staff has viewed me over the years.

RavingMac
02-15-2012, 06:49 PM
How about?

General Nusants

vansmith
02-15-2012, 06:59 PM
I never said that iNet alone comprised the "Glacial Entity", in fact I've always considered the staff to be part of it, voulenteers or not and the comment by APTMINICH
highlights that IMO.Referring to the people you're asking to make changes to in this way doesn't bode well for your request. This is why I'm not sure what saying this is supposed to accomplish. Is it even supposed to accomplish anything or is it venting for the sake of venting?

baggss
02-15-2012, 07:21 PM
How about?

General Nusants

That's the spirit!


Referring to the people you're asking to make changes to in this way doesn't bode well for your request. This is why I'm not sure what saying this is supposed to accomplish. Is it even supposed to accomplish anything or is it venting for the sake of venting?

I pretty much realize that this isn't going to happen judging by the responses in this thread. In fact, I don't think it even got any serious consideration by anyone who could make that decision so I don't think I'm treading on any shaky ground here. Is the implication here that by using a staff members name to illustrate a point, that I have been bad?

What is it supposed to acomplish? Maybe just more choice for the loyal forum members. I even suggested making it one of those long promised but never delivered "perks" for the paying premium members but I suspect that fell on deaf ears as well. Maybe there is a bit of venting for the sake of venting but maybe if I felt that a seriouse suggestion by a senior member in good standing was given any real conisderatrin vice lip service (or an indirect NO) I wouldn't feel the need to vent. I suppose it's a good thing I declined to pay $24 for nothing, I'd be really upset then...;)

MacDude121
02-15-2012, 07:50 PM
I think Schweb and I talked about this at one point after the change was instituted, but I think he decided it was fine as it was and left it. I'm just opting for more choice for the members here is all, but if the consensus is that it should be left as it is, then so be it.

That being said though, I do find it odd that the staff/owners chose to give us a new skin (change for the sake of change....and make it the default one too...yes I know it can be changed) but are not willing to give the members a simple option like custom titles. The Glacial entity always knows best....

I don't believe it was change for the sake of change. The forum did need to be updated eventually. Sure, it still worked fine, but it looked like a website from 2002 rather than one from 2012.

As far as the custom titles go, yes I can see where you're coming from with your opinions. But giving people the option to "Title" themselves with whatever they want could get very confusing very fast. Every newbie joining would change his badge to "Staff" or "Administrator" and cause trouble. I have no problem with the way things are right now, Senior Member shows that you're experienced with the forum, and although not quite a staff member, it demands a little more "Respect" right off the bat. ;)

cwa107
02-15-2012, 08:19 PM
Here's a simple, straightforward answer for you, Baggss - "no". Things work fine the way they are, but thanks for the suggestion.

We're done here.