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iggibar
03-12-2011, 10:15 AM
Got it 4 days ago, but just recently got a chance to take some pics due to the non stop rain/snow. 2011 Honda Accord Crosstour EX-L AWD. White Diamond Pearl, on black leather. This thing loves to pummel snow! Best car I've owned yet. Very happy :D Drove in the valley for 3 hours last night...didn't want to stop...just drove even though I didn't know where I was.
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RavingMac
03-12-2011, 10:19 AM
Sweet! :)

Congratulations.

cwa107
03-12-2011, 10:19 AM
Congrats! Enjoy that new car smell (it's the most expensive scent in the world!).

Love my Hondas, I'm sure you'll have many years of luck with yours as well.

Audio.Trench
03-12-2011, 10:40 AM
That puts my "new" Toyota Echo to shame :(

Hahaha!

'Grats on the new wheels, it's very nice, I gotta say! I actually just saw one of these recently in my area for the first time, very nice looking machine.

pigoo3
03-12-2011, 11:25 AM
Got it 4 days ago, but just recently got a chance to take some pics due to the non stop rain/snow. 2011 Honda Accord Crosstour EX-L AWD. White Diamond Pearl, on black leather. This thing loves to pummel snow! Best car I've owned yet. Very happy :D Drove in the valley for 3 hours last night...didn't want to stop...just drove even though I didn't know where I was.

Wouldn't you really rather have an iPad 2???;)

Congrats on the new car...always a special time!!!:)

- Nick

toMACsh
03-12-2011, 11:36 AM
Congratulations! I love taking pictures of my cars when they're new. I go overboard, shooting the clean engine, the trunk (once with my kid in it, he also was shot "driving" it) and from all angles. Once I was up on my roof and the still relatively new van was in the driveway. It was one of those "ah ha" moments. Great snapshot.

I'm also in the process of car shopping right now. It's narrowed down to the Honda CR-V or the Mitsubishi Outlander. The Honda would be less expensive for what we want on it, and don't need to have. Honda's trim lines and packages are more flexible. But, I really want the Outlander!

iggibar
03-12-2011, 11:37 AM
Wouldn't you really rather have an iPad 2???;)

Congrats on the new car...always a special time!!!:)

- Nick

LOL. No joke, I was actually thinking of taking the $1,500(down money) and buying a new mac...but in the end, I realized the one I have has never let me down:) MSRP: $35290. Out of door price: $30900 tax included.

Thanks for the nice comments everyone!

I need to have a shout-out to John at Jack Matia Honda in Elyria, Oh, as well as the dealer itself. They took care of business, like no other dealer has ever before! Very professional! Though it took 1 solid day to negotiate the deal, he never went away from it, and eventually came to an agreeable term...unlike the Toyota dealer...omg...

iggibar
03-12-2011, 11:48 AM
Congratulations! I love taking pictures of my cars when they're new. I go overboard, shooting the clean engine, the trunk (once with my kid in it, he also was shot "driving" it) and from all angles. Once I was up on my roof and the still relatively new van was in the driveway. It was one of those "ah ha" moments. Great snapshot.

I'm also in the process of car shopping right now. It's narrowed down to the Honda CR-V or the Mitsubishi Outlander. The Honda would be less expensive for what we want on it, and don't need to have. Honda's trim lines and packages are more flexible. But, I really want the Outlander!

Honestly, coming from just having tested all Mitsu. suv's prior to getting my car, forget them! They are way overpriced for what you are getting/aren't getting. I'm not sure how you are optioning out the CRV, but that car is built like a rock! The CRV is one of the most, if not the most, reliable car to come with 4 wheels! I would pick it over any mitsu. in a heart beat. If your price budget is around 25k, the CRV is nice. If it's 30k, at least drive the Crosstour...just for fun. The driving experience is totally different, actually very similar to driving an Acura(in term of solid ride, with absolutely no vibrations/weird rattling). I would rather get a base Crosstour, than a fully loaded CRV, strictly based on how it drives and how much rear seating room it has(A LOT!!!). That's just my 2 shinny pennies:)

Moss
03-12-2011, 02:02 PM
Very nice car. :) Enjoy!

techo91
03-12-2011, 02:17 PM
I'm a moderator at 2 honda forums in Bulgaria and in my opinion and experience there's no other brand that makes their cars more solid and reliable then Honda. I have a 98' civic with 170 hp under the hood and there is no mac that can give me the same happiness as my custom made Honda.
Enjoy your car, you have made an excellent choice.

Chris H.
03-12-2011, 02:24 PM
I like it! Nice Honda.

pigoo3
03-12-2011, 02:30 PM
...I was actually thinking of taking the $1,500(down money) and buying a new mac...but in the end, I realized the one I have has never let me down:) MSRP: $35290. Out of door price: $30900 tax included.

Just thought of this. $1500 down on a $30,900 car...those have got to be some pretty painful monthly car payments...unless you got this thing financed for like 10 years!;)

And if so...you'll end up paying like $40,000-$45,000 when all is said & done.

- Nick

CrimsonRequiem
03-12-2011, 03:19 PM
Snazzy car. I would have censored the plates though. >_<"

toMACsh
03-12-2011, 05:01 PM
Honestly, coming from just having tested all Mitsu. suv's prior to getting my car, forget them! They are way overpriced for what you are getting/aren't getting. I'm not sure how you are optioning out the CRV, but that car is built like a rock! The CRV is one of the most, if not the most, reliable car to come with 4 wheels! I would pick it over any mitsu. in a heart beat. If your price budget is around 25k, the CRV is nice. If it's 30k, at least drive the Crosstour...just for fun. The driving experience is totally different, actually very similar to driving an Acura(in term of solid ride, with absolutely no vibrations/weird rattling). I would rather get a base Crosstour, than a fully loaded CRV, strictly based on how it drives and how much rear seating room it has(A LOT!!!). That's just my 2 shinny pennies:)

Thanks for your input. I'll try to find info about the Crosstour. I really liked the Outlander's continuously variable transmission. It's a gimmick, but it's cool. You can shift like a manual (either with the shift stick, or the paddles at the steering wheel) without needing a clutch. You might be right about the price. Plus, to insure the higher end model I'd have to get to have AWC (aka 4WD) would cost me about $120 more per year. I'm looking at the lower end of the luxury spectrum, but the "base" CR-V has everything I "need".

cwa107
03-12-2011, 05:27 PM
Thanks for your input. I'll try to find info about the Crosstour. I really liked the Outlander's continuously variable transmission. It's a gimmick, but it's cool. You can shift like a manual (either with the shift stick, or the paddles at the steering wheel) without needing a clutch. You might be right about the price. Plus, to insure the higher end model I'd have to get to have AWC (aka 4WD) would cost me about $120 more per year. I'm looking at the lower end of the luxury spectrum, but the "base" CR-V has everything I "need".

Tip: Stay away from any Honda with variable cylinder management (VCM). There are issues with oil consumption that Honda has yet to deal with. My '10 Pilot drinks a quart of oil every 4000 miles or so. Very un-Honda-like, and I'm not alone.

iggibar
03-13-2011, 12:02 PM
1 quart every 4 thousand miles? That's not much. Less than 10 bucks to drive 4 thousand miles...on a reliable engine...can't really complain about that, unless the usage of oil starts to increase, then you have a problem. We had a 2005 Odyssey EXL, when the first VCM engine came out it. We owned it for about 85,000 miles. It used up about 3/4 of a quart every 4-5k miles, consistently. That engine actually felt like it drove better with 80k miles than when we first got it. If an engine was designed to not use oil, that oil usage would not be so consistent for each engine. Most engines that use extra oil due to their lower friction piston springs(let oil in and out, instead of a higher friction ring that only keeps the oil within the lower boundaries(no escape, no oil burned/used), under normal conditions, have a lower life in terms of miles/rpms. My dad works at a company here in Cleveland that builds, modifies, and refurbishes airplane/multi-ton train or factory ship engines. He mentioned that when companies come in to ask for a new/rebuild engine, if their engine needs to be bullet proof, they, themselves ask that the engine burns oil because they know they will last longer. The others who don't want engine oil to escape are usually companies that have to meet a certain emission standard due to other factors. They build engines to specifically "waste" a certain amount of oil to insure that all the surface of the piston and cylinder get treated with oil, and also use negative electroplating to add a spiral staircase of holes so that the oil can fill in to ensure the whole cylinder/piston is coated equally. I think I might have gotten carried away a bit...:)

Honda won't have a fix for this because its designed to work that way. If they do fix it, it could lead to a shorter engine life. Which will bring an un-need problem. But, that's assuming someones point of view after reading about Honda's change to a lower friction ring on their V6's and a change to 0-w20 oil...apparently, that's a tell-tale sign to engine builder. I'd like to repeat something that I think is the most important thing here: Oil being used at a consistent rate, is not bad for an engine, might be bad for someone's budget, but in terms of calling that engine a "bad engine," it's kind of silly. It's only when the engine starts increasing the rate of oil consumption that you need to rebuild it(which ironically is usually caused by higher friction rings)...

As for the car, I've been having a blast with it so far!

cwa107
03-13-2011, 12:13 PM
Well, thanks for that - makes me feel a little better about it. Just never had a car that I really had to worry about checking oil level on before. But then again, with every other car, I had been changing oil at 3750 mile intervals - and on the Pilot, I'm using the Maintenance Minder, which has me on 6000-7000 mile intervals. So, I guess it makes sense that I'm actually noticing oil consumption.

iggibar
03-13-2011, 12:32 PM
That is true as well. I still have my Passat. It burns about 1 quart every 3 thousand miles, but it is turbo-charged, which uses the engine oil to cool down the turbo...so it's expected. I change the oil once every 10,000 miles(recommended my VW), and add 3 quarts between that interval. I only have 33,000 miles on it so far, and has been very consistent in oil usage, and drives incredibly well...though its still like new. Also, as you said, people who do an oil change every 3,000 miles don't normally notice oil usage because they just put new oil in it. It's been one of my favorite engines ever!

On a side note, do you know why I can't edit my post? It goes to the edit screen, but pressing the "save" button does nothing. It's like a button that has not been linked properly. Does this on all my computers. I was going to put "I just went out and knocked on the tallest tree I could find" on my last post.

cwa107
03-13-2011, 12:37 PM
On a side note, do you know why I can't edit my post? It goes to the edit screen, but pressing the "save" button does nothing. It's like a button that has not been linked properly. Does this on all my computers. I was going to put "I just went out and knocked on the tallest tree I could find" on my last post.

That is weird - no, I'm not sure. Just tried it on my last post and it seems OK here. Using the same browser on all of the computers?

iggibar
03-13-2011, 12:42 PM
That is weird - no, I'm not sure. Just tried it on my last post and it seems OK here. Using the same browser on all of the computers?

Been using the lastest version of Safari/Firefox on my macs, and Firefox on the HP. Sometimes it does it, sometimes it doesn't. When it does it, though, the edit screen doesn't load to a new screen, it just downsizes onto the same page. I'll get a screenshot next time it happens.

iggibar
03-13-2011, 12:46 PM
Here you go. Tried to edit "lastest" to latest...and no luck.
This is what I meant by opening in the same page...
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pigoo3
03-13-2011, 12:48 PM
If this is true about "VCM" engines...and oil consumption around a qt. every 4000 miles is normal...I'm going to have to read up on it.

I'm still used to the oil consumption "rules" for new (non-VCM) engines where oil consumption can be a measure of engine wear (or at least piston ring wear). Where after the engine is broken in...you should have next to no oil consumption between oil changes. Only when the engine starts to get "old" do you start to see oil consumption...and I wouldn't expect to see a worn engine to "eat" 1 quart every 3,000-4,000 miles until is over 100,000 or more miles (depending how the engine was driven & maintained).

In fact...I've seen how some oil change intervals have been extended from the historical 3 month/3000 miles...to as much as 7500 miles. If this was the case with VCM engines...you could be as much as 2 quarts low on a 4-5 quart capacity engine.

Like I said...if this sort of oil consumption is "normal" for these VCM engines...I'm going to have get up to speed on it, and do some research. I'm still having problems with BMW's idea of "lifetime" transmission fluid (no changes/no dipstick/no fill tube)...AND there being no maintenance interval for replacing the timing chain.

- Nick

iggibar
03-13-2011, 01:00 PM
Only when the engine starts to get "old" do you start to see oil consumption...and I wouldn't expect to see a worn engine to "eat" 1 quart every 3,000-4,000 miles until is over 100,000 or more miles (depending how the engine was driven & maintained).
- Nick
I've read similar things about that too, but it's mostly related to engine that have tightly fitted piston rings. Most GM engines have very tight piston rings, which is why most need a top end rebuild after about 100,000~ miles (especially on the corvette). The thing that scares people about this little oil usage is that the VCM engines can shut the cylinders off from allowing an ignition, varying from running on 3, 4, or 6 cylinders. There very well could be something that causes the cylinders that aren't firing, to use more oil, but in that case, someone who cruises, or drives slow, would be getting more oil usage than someone who floors it all the time. Have you ever noticed this cwa107? I wasn't the main driver of the odyssey, so I don't know about it.

pigoo3
03-13-2011, 01:36 PM
The thing that scares people about this little oil usage is that the VCM engines can shut the cylinders off from allowing an ignition, varying from running on 3, 4, or 6 cylinders.

As you may know...VCM engines have been around for quite a while. I can remember a variation of it being used as far back as 1981 in a Cadillac Seville.

I've always wondered what the long term impact this sort of setup would have on the wear & tear of an engine...especially on an engine that is driven on the highway a lot...when some cylinders are "shut-down". If it's always the same cylinders being shut down...those cylinders (piston rings, crankshaft, crankshaft bearing, etc.) would have less wear compared to the other cylinders that are active 100% of the time.

I mean...if someone still gets just as many miles out of a VCM engine as they would from an engine without VCM...it really doesn't matter in the end...just seems a little bit of a waste if the cylinders that are shut down have little wear compared to the other cylinders.

- Nick

cwa107
03-13-2011, 03:07 PM
There very well could be something that causes the cylinders that aren't firing, to use more oil, but in that case, someone who cruises, or drives slow, would be getting more oil usage than someone who floors it all the time. Have you ever noticed this cwa107? I wasn't the main driver of the odyssey, so I don't know about it.

Yes, indeed. On Piloteers.org (formerly Honda-Pilot.org), it seems that those with the highest consumption are the ones who are driving primarily "highway" mileage. Also, I didn't notice it initially when I first bought the car, but then I was doing a lot more varying of engine speeds and throttle input during break-in. Now that I've found the sweet spots to achieve the best mileage, I'm a lot lighter on the pedals in general - and sure enough, I'm noticing significant oil consumption.

iggibar
07-29-2011, 02:52 AM
Yes, indeed. On Piloteers.org (formerly Honda-Pilot.org), it seems that those with the highest consumption are the ones who are driving primarily "highway" mileage. Also, I didn't notice it initially when I first bought the car, but then I was doing a lot more varying of engine speeds and throttle input during break-in. Now that I've found the sweet spots to achieve the best mileage, I'm a lot lighter on the pedals in general - and sure enough, I'm noticing significant oil consumption.

Got my 2011 pilot, and just signed up on piloteers. I found you already:)
https://img.skitch.com/20110729-nya7fjyj5t3guudipp7s2hn1p4.jpg
Probably should've posted the pic here first. It's a gasohol! Gotta learn to drive a bit slower.