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RavingMac
02-08-2011, 07:02 PM
If you were faced with the choice between computers and cars which would you choose to keep?

1) Choice is permanent and irrevocable.

2) If car then you may never own or operate as long as you live any laptop, desktop, iPad, iPhone or computing device of any type or any operating system. Nor may anyone who resides with you operate one on your behalf.

3) If computer then you may never own or operate as long as you live any car, truck, motorcycle, bus, electric skateboard or any other motorized vehicle of any type. Nor may anyone who resides with you operate one on your behalf. You may use public transportation, and ride in vehicles owned and or operated by persons who do not reside with you.

Feel free to add a brief reason for your choice (or to comment on how ridiculous this poll is for that matter).

ClockworkWorld
02-08-2011, 07:05 PM
Definitely would keep the computer! Exercise isn't a bad thing :) And we absolutely have to have computers for my work, and my wife's. I already walk to work, and we use public transportation most of the time for errands, we really just use the car for odds and ends (most of which we could do without pretty easily)

Buzzard2010
02-08-2011, 07:10 PM
I think I can see the way this poll is edging already ;)
Although i'm sure that if you put the same poll on a car enthusiast website the poll will turn out different.

I would definitely choose Computer as at the moment I have no car and am using public transport anyways. Work is only a 10 minute walk for me, and last but not least, and definitely most importantly if I did not have my computer... I would cry :'(

- Simon

the8thark
02-08-2011, 07:19 PM
Well taking out bias from both sides.

Without a car there is always your legs and public transport. So you're not disadvantaged really. You can still do most things.
And if you live in the bush you can always move to a city for the public transport.

Without a computer you can't email, take some jobs, chat to your friends, and a whole host of other things. That really can't be replaced. Sure you can live without it but you'll be left behind in the dust in an ever progressing world.

So after that I think it's pretty obvious which is more important.

pigoo3
02-08-2011, 07:40 PM
There would definitely be some lifestyle changes necessary...but I would choose the computer over the car as well.

But a persons geographical location would have to be a BIG factor in the decision as well. If you live in a rural area where there is no public transportation, and the nearest grocery store, drug store, department store, or home improvement store is 10-20 or more miles away...you really cannot do without a car/truck.

If you live in an urban area...where you have easy access to public transportation...or you live within reasonable walking or cycling distance of stores...then it is easier to give up the car.

- Nick

RavingMac
02-08-2011, 07:58 PM
Giving up the car would be a major sacrifice where I live. Small town, Arkansas, no public transportation. But the car would have to go.

XJ-linux
02-08-2011, 08:34 PM
Not even close. I value the type of self-sufficiency afforded by a personal vehicle. I'll keep my vehicles and find a new way to kill time after work. Of course I work with computers so the car will come in handy when applying for new jobs. ;)

CrimsonRequiem
02-08-2011, 08:51 PM
Living in SolCal you need a car for sure.

Audio.Trench
02-08-2011, 10:18 PM
I just purchased my first car.. Went very smoothly.. Doing your homework actually pays off, haha!

I need both.. Mostly for work, but personal stuff too. I wouldn't be able to get to work, or even do my job without either of them.

harryb2448
02-08-2011, 10:37 PM
I am gonna break your world and have both so there!

RavingMac
02-08-2011, 10:40 PM
I am gonna break your world and have both so there!

So that would make you a rebel with a cars . . . ..

Sorry for the pun. It's a weakness of mine. :)

wavinwayne
02-08-2011, 10:42 PM
I would give up the computer, but I would complain endlessly until they changed the rules.

RavingMac
02-08-2011, 10:42 PM
For some reason the poll seems to have closed after only six votes. I had set it up (I thought) to run for two weeks.

iggibar
02-08-2011, 11:00 PM
Computers access is available anywhere. And if you need email...iphone. There are other modes of transportation, but having your own car tops them all. Got both, and would gladly ditch all my computers to keep my car. Have used busses before, and hated knowing you had no idea if you were going to run late or not until it's too late.

ClockworkWorld
02-08-2011, 11:02 PM
Computers access is available anywhere. And if you need email...iphone.

Ah ah, remember the rule :P No iPhones either! :D

robduckyworth
02-08-2011, 11:32 PM
muahaha, i have a motor bike, so im exempt from having to choose!

RavingMac
02-08-2011, 11:37 PM
muahaha, i have a motor bike, so im exempt from having to choose!

3) If computer then you may never own or operate as long as you live any car, truck, motorcycle, bus, electric skateboard or any other motorized vehicle of any type

robduckyworth
02-08-2011, 11:41 PM
3) If computer then you may never own or operate as long as you live any car, truck, motorcycle, bus, electric skateboard or any other motorized vehicle of any type

oh the fine print was always my downfall :( lol!

i would probably pick the computer then.

MYmacROX
02-09-2011, 12:17 AM
I chose a car with a full computer system built-in so I can just sit in my car and browse, check e-mail, etc.

It may not exist yet but I'll pick it when it does. Because we all know it's coming...

CrimsonRequiem
02-09-2011, 01:04 AM
For some reason the poll seems to have closed after only six votes. I had set it up (I thought) to run for two weeks.

Fixed it for you. ^-^"

McYukon
02-09-2011, 01:53 AM
In a heart beat the computer, living 80km from the nearest town can be life threatening if one doesn't have some kind of motor vehicle.

ZachUSAman
02-09-2011, 04:51 AM
car instantly.
not being able to move around the physical world as easily as I used to be would be bad, but not being able to move around the electronic at all would be suicide.

the8thark
02-09-2011, 08:25 AM
Yes an iphone is a portable computer that just happens to make phone calls too.

bobtomay
02-09-2011, 11:16 AM
I remember the time of having neither one for the first few years after I left the parents house. Of course, there didn't exist any computers that could be put in your house.

The gamer in me didn't have any problems finding a game to slaughter someone at back then. I did grab a computer within a week after I heard of one sitting on the store shelves though.

After 30 years with a computer now, yep, I'd have to give them up.
I'm getting too old to be forced to walk anywhere.
I sure ain't voting to have to walk to the grocery store multiple times a week just so I can sit in front of this thing.
Or have to take into account where I live in relationship to all the places I need/want to go any more than I do now.

pigoo3
02-09-2011, 11:33 AM
Double post.

pigoo3
02-09-2011, 11:36 AM
I'm getting too old to be forced to walk anywhere.
I sure ain't voting to have to walk to the grocery store multiple times a week just so I can sit in front of this thing.

Come on Bob...you can't be that old!;)

But I know what you mean...there was a time before cordless phones, remote controls, cell phones, computers, etc. Even though computers have inserted themselves into almost all aspects of our daily lives...we could still live without them if we REALLY had to.

Having personal transportation to do what you got to do when you want to do it is a BIG convenience.:)

- Nick

Chris H.
02-09-2011, 11:42 AM
If this were 1955, a car by all means would be the thing to own and get by with. Gas was cheap, cars were a good choice for transportation, etc. etc.

This is however, 2011, and most everybody under the age of 55 is on the internet, uses email and types letters with Microsoft Word.

I would LOVE a car right now, but I love my computer!

XJ-linux
02-09-2011, 11:52 AM
Living life mainly through a computer reminds me of the movie "Surrogates". Not sure I could handle an endgame like that.

Village Idiot
02-09-2011, 12:04 PM
This is a choice I'd never have to make. There, that makes it easy.

bobtomay
02-09-2011, 12:11 PM
Come on Bob...you can't be that old!;)

...

- Nick

Not quite. But, until they put me in a nursing home, they ain't takin' muh car.

Our son - who's 36, just bought his first motorized vehicle about 3 months ago.
Am sure he would be voting on the other side and he's not into computers near as much as I am either.

Kevriano
02-09-2011, 12:11 PM
10 years ago I would have not been worried about not having a computer at all, but ever since I started out with my first iMac I haven't looked back, and I don't really think I could live without it now, nor the associated gadgets.
I could live without a car, though my work would be a tad tricky. However company vehicle, so I could circumnavigate your rules, I have no private useage :)
Otherwise I am capable of cycling or walking, so no problem really.
I can see the problem if you live in the back end of nowhere though.

pigoo3
02-09-2011, 12:20 PM
If this were 1955, a car by all means would be the thing to own and get by with. Gas was cheap, cars were a good choice for transportation, etc. etc.

All true statements...except folks are driving more hours & miles in 2011 than they were in 1955...and autos are MUCH more expensive to operate these days...so you would think folks would be more "keen" on getting rid of them (or using them less)...but they don't!

I still see plenty of folks driving 10-12mpg vehicles like they were Indy race cars....with no concerns for economy.:(


This is however, 2011, and most everybody under the age of 55 is on the internet, uses email and types letters with Microsoft Word.

This is true as well...but there are definitely alternatives to the computer. The alternatives are certainly not as convenient.

Remember...most of the internet REALLY is a:

- GIGANTIC Walmart for buying things
- a BIG encyclopedia/DIY/dictionary for finding answers (Google, Internet Forums, etc.)
- a repository for porn of all types
- internet based social networking like Facebook, Twitter, and Myspace...which we can clearly live without

Takes these things away from the internet...and you don't have much.

E-mail is nice as well. But if you REALLY have something important to communicate to someone...use the phone!;)

I'm not saying I don't love my computer & the internet...just saying there are alternatives.

- Nick

iggibar
02-09-2011, 12:38 PM
Ah ah, remember the rule :P No iPhones either! :D

That's a stupid rule! You can't get rid of your computer and phone at the same time! lol

bobtomay
02-09-2011, 12:42 PM
That's a stupid rule! You can't get rid of your computer and phone at the same time!

roflol

RavingMac
02-09-2011, 12:47 PM
That's a stupid rule! You can't get rid of your computer and phone at the same time!
It was intentionally made hard so people wouldn't try to weasel out of making a choice--though some who will be unnamed did so anyway. ;)

I find it interesting that it is almost an even race. Didn't really know what to expect, but this shows just how dependent we have become on our "toys" as we sometimes call them.

pigoo3
02-09-2011, 01:33 PM
It was intentionally made hard so people wouldn't try to weasel out of making a choice--though some who will be unnamed did so anyway. ;)

I totally understand the question you posed (cars or computers). Like you said...it supposed to be a VERY difficult decision...no "weaseling" out with some sort of 3rd alternative.;)

The whole point is to have only 2 choices...neither of which is necessarily easy to choose.

- Nick

pigoo3
02-09-2011, 01:38 PM
I would pose one thought. If more jobs could be done as "work at home"...and if more grocery stores did internet ordering & delivered the groceries (I know that this has/is done in some big cities over the years)...there would be a lot less need to drive a car.

Obviously there MANY are jobs/professions that "work at home" would never happen. But other than groceries...there's not much you cannot get delivered to your home these days.:)

- Nick

CrimsonRequiem
02-09-2011, 01:47 PM
I would pose one thought. If more jobs could be done as "work at home"...and if more grocery stores did internet ordering & delivered the groceries (I know that this has/is done in some big cities over the years)...there would be a lot less need to drive a car.

Obviously there MANY are jobs/professions that "work at home" would never happen. But other than groceries...there's not much you cannot get delivered to your home these days.:)

- Nick

Depends on your job if you can work at home or not. As for the dilvery service for food shopping...I don't trust other people to pick out food for me.

XJ-linux
02-09-2011, 01:53 PM
I would pose one thought. If more jobs could be done as "work at home"...and if more grocery stores did internet ordering & delivered the groceries (I know that this has/is done in some big cities over the years)...there would be a lot less need to drive a car.

Obviously there MANY are jobs/professions that "work at home" would never happen. But other than groceries...there's not much you cannot get delivered to your home these days.:)

- Nick

I'd be divorced by now if I had to work from home, and Mrs XJ would have half my stuff! LOL My hobbies include home improvement and firearms - taking the bus with an AR-15, 500rds of 5.56mm NATO and several 4'x8' sheets of OSB could be a hassle. Part of DIY is not paying for stuff you can do yourself, which would make it hard for me to stomach paying Lowes $50 to deliver some railroad ties or sheet rock. Also, I don't play well with the TSA policies on groping or their porno scanners, so I rely on my car to visit family in other States. I'd miss a computer very much, but nothing I do with it outside of work is essential to my life, liberty or pursuit of happiness.

RavingMac
02-09-2011, 02:04 PM
. . . My hobbies include home improvement and firearms - taking the bus with an AR-15, 500rds of 5.56mm NATO and several 4'x8' sheets of OSB could be a hassle. . .
That would make an interesting home improvement project indeed. And, you might approach HGTV with the concept.

'Home Improvement with Firearms' besides being a catchy name is probably one that hasn't been pitched to them before. ;)

pigoo3
02-09-2011, 02:26 PM
I'd be divorced by now if I had to work from home, and Mrs XJ would have half my stuff! LOL My hobbies include home improvement and firearms - taking the bus with an AR-15, 500rds of 5.56mm NATO and several 4'x8' sheets of OSB could be a hassle. Part of DIY is not paying for stuff you can do yourself, which would make it hard for me to stomach paying Lowes $50 to deliver some railroad ties or sheet rock. Also, I don't play well with the TSA policies on groping or their porno scanners, so I rely on my car to visit family in other States. I'd miss a computer very much, but nothing I do with it outside of work is essential to my life, liberty or pursuit of happiness.

Hey...I didn't say that working from home or having everything delivered was an ideal situation for everyone;)...it's just a way of making getting rid of a car possible & keeping the computer (per the discussion topic of this thread).

I'm a BIG DIYer myself so I know what you mean about not wanting to pay for delivery charges. Consider the amount of money that is spent on the average car/year (gasoline, car payments, insurance, repairs, etc.). According to AAA:

AAA Exchange (http://www.aaaexchange.com/main/Default.asp?CategoryID=16&SubCategoryID=76&ContentID=353)

...the annual cost of driving a medium sized sedan 15,000 miles/year is $9,519. If someone drives an SUV...the figure jumps up to $11,085. This doesn't even include car payments!

So if someone chose to get rid of their car, work from home, and totally rely on the computer. When it comes to paying for delivery for DIY items from say "Lowe's"...I think that those delivery charges over the course of a year would add up to far less than $9,500 to $11,000 dollars. And if they did...you would be one heck of a busy "DIYer"!!!;)

- Nick

vansmith
02-09-2011, 02:34 PM
Not ever having owned a car and being a student whose "life work" is in digital form, this choice is incredibly easy. I need the computer and since I can't work in computer labs (I like silence), I need one of my own. Living downtown in a fairly large city also makes walking/public transit a perfectly suitable replacement for a car.

Since I'm not clairvoyant (oh how I wish I was), I can't answer for the future so I'll stick with my current needs. Sure, I may need a car in the future but who can know for certain what transportation will look like in 5, 10 or 15 years.

TattooedMac
02-09-2011, 02:53 PM
If you live in an urban area...where you have easy access to public transportation...or you live within reasonable walking or cycling distance of stores...then it is easier to give up the car.

- Nick

This is so true. I have a mate living in the city of Sydney and he got rid of his car nearly 13yrs ago and has never had a need for one. If he did thats what friends are for :)


Not even close. I value the type of self-sufficiency afforded by a personal vehicle. I'll keep my vehicles and find a new way to kill time after work. Of course I work with computers so the car will come in handy when applying for new jobs. ;)

I totally agree.
I couldnt live without my car. Even if i loived in a heavily populated area with a lot of transport. I would need to get out of the hustle and bustle every once in a while.


So for me i would get rid of my Mac :( as sad as that would be ....

It would be by, by M-F :waves:

PS Razor. The pole is a little confusing as in your OP you asked what would you **ditch** and in the poll it asked what would i keep ? ;P

XJ-linux
02-09-2011, 03:48 PM
That would make an interesting home improvement project indeed. And, you might approach HGTV with the concept.

'Home Improvement with Firearms' besides being a catchy name is probably one that hasn't been pitched to them before. ;)

I should check. Amy Matthews lives just a few miles away. ;)

IvanLasston
02-09-2011, 03:48 PM
Public transport here is getting better - and I would move somewhere I didn't have to drive as much - maybe head for a downtown, if I really had to make this choice. I'd rather ride a bike or walk, than drive a car any day.

RavingMac
02-09-2011, 03:50 PM
PS Razor. The pole is a little confusing as in your OP you asked what would you **ditch** and in the poll it asked what would i keep ? ;P
I try to maintain a certain aura of mystery . . . :)

Actually, I thought the question was better worded that way and I was too lazy to go back and change the post afterwards.

iggibar
02-09-2011, 06:37 PM
ohhh it's a tied game!!!! DANG! This is intense!!

the8thark
02-09-2011, 07:02 PM
PS Razor. The pole is a little confusing as in your OP you asked what would you **ditch** and in the poll it asked what would i keep ? ;P

Should be poll not pole.

And yeah I can't ditch a car I never had to begin with.

613
02-09-2011, 07:35 PM
I'd keep the computer. But then I live in a built-up area within easy walking distance of almost everything. I'm even thinking of selling my car in the next few months anyway, so I guess giving up the car wouldn't be too much of a hardship! :)

TattooedMac
02-10-2011, 04:17 AM
Should be poll not pole.

And yeah I can't ditch a car I never had to begin with.


Yea yea ;P It was 553am but thats no excuse for bad grammar

Thanks for the pull up

Tarek
02-10-2011, 08:18 AM
I would definitely choose to keep the car. I could always use my car to go to a cyber cafe. :)

RavingMac
02-10-2011, 11:46 AM
I would definitely choose to keep the car. I could always use my car to go to a cyber cafe. :)

What would you do there?
Drink coffee and watch others surf the web. You still wouldn't be allowed to use a computer, regardless of where you were.

Tarek
02-10-2011, 11:48 AM
Oh! I did not know I'd have to ditch computers forever. Well, if I keep the computer, am I allowed to use public transportation? :D

RavingMac
02-10-2011, 11:52 AM
Oh! I did not know I'd have to ditch computers forever. Well, if I keep the computer, am I allowed to use public transportation? :D
Yes. The complete rules are in the first post.

Tarek
02-10-2011, 12:15 PM
Oh.. thanks. Well then I'd definitely keep the computer :)

vansmith
02-10-2011, 01:02 PM
Why couldn't you use a computer in another location? If you can give up your car use another form of transportation, why not give up your own computer and use another form of computing (ie. a computer in a library)? ;)

CrimsonRequiem
02-10-2011, 01:13 PM
Why couldn't you use a computer in another location? If you can give up your car use another form of transportation, why not give up your own computer and use another form of computing (ie. a computer in a library)? ;)

Double standards obviously. :P

XJ-linux
02-10-2011, 01:28 PM
Why couldn't you use a computer in another location? If you can give up your car use another form of transportation, why not give up your own computer and use another form of computing (ie. a computer in a library)? ;)

My wife asked the same thing. She asked if this isn't this exactly what internet cafe's are for, as buses are to personally owned vehicles.

RavingMac
02-10-2011, 02:25 PM
My wife asked the same thing. She asked if this isn't this exactly what internet cafe's are for, as buses are to personally owned vehicles.

I'll repeat an earlier post I made: "It was intentionally made hard so people wouldn't try to weasel out of making a choice--though some who will be unnamed did so anyway."

You and Van (and your wife for that matter) are absolutely right that those would be reasonable tradeoffs, but in order to make this a binary decision (like the classic 'Lady or the Tiger') I tried to make it impossible to have both. The point of the poll is one or the other. Which do you keep?

If tradeoffs were allowed, I would probably give up driving and let my wife chauffeur us around while I handled the computer based tasks for the household, but that would be too easy a way out. :)


As far as the analogy to public transportation, it is closer to using a rental car because you are still the device operator. On the other hand if you got someone else (not living in your household) run the computer for you at this Internet Cafe you would be well within the rules.

TattooedMac
02-10-2011, 02:29 PM
I'll repeat an earlier post I made: "It was intentionally made hard so people wouldn't try to weasel out of making a choice--though some who will be unnamed did so anyway."

You and Van (and your wife for that matter) are absolutely right that those would be reasonable tradeoffs, but in order to make this a binary decision (like the classic 'Lady or the Tiger') I tried to make it impossible to have both. The point of the poll is one or the other. Which do you keep?


Just goes to show that in todays world people dont want to/or cant give up what they have.
It isnt hard to ditch one IMO as i see the computer as a luxury (i dont need it to turn a $) and the car as a essential item (i need it to turn a $) so for me it was a easy choice . . . . . . .

Cheers

pigoo3
02-10-2011, 02:38 PM
The two opposites of the spectrum for this discussion...where the choice is a bit easier are:

1. Easier to give up the car if you live in some big cities (like New York or Chicago) where you can reside & work...and walking or public transportation is convenient.

2. Easier (or necessary) to give up the computer if you live in a very rural area where personal transportation is the ONLY way to "get to town" for work & purchasing essentials.

Of course there are lots of "in between" situations where giving up either is or would be...very very difficult.

- Nick

the8thark
02-10-2011, 07:38 PM
2. Easier (or necessary) to give up the computer if you live in a very rural area where personal transportation is the ONLY way to "get to town" for work & purchasing essentials.

People in the country can purchase a horse right?

CrimsonRequiem
02-10-2011, 07:42 PM
People in the country can purchase a horse right?

Or they could always get a Vespa?