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Well I have spent the entire morning checking into getting a DSL connection. And it aint gonna happen. I live in a remote area and there is absoutely no DSL service :(
I called my ISP and talked with them. I told them that I was looking for a couple of things -- first I wanted to go wireless with my new laptop and second, I wanted to be able to call from out of state areas without a long distance charge and I would like faster service that a DSL can provide.
Bad news.... no phone lines out here will give us service for DSL. Maybe in the next year they said.
they do offer a 1-800 # for making dial up connections out of state. So, that's not an issue.
He suggested that if I wanted to use my laptop on vacation, to just go to a cafe, or coffee house that has the wireless hookups and use my wireless card OR just use dial up and use their 1-800 number.
I can try going with a national phone line but the prices are out of sight. And satellite is also way expensive.
 
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I spent a month or so out in the country in Virginia last year and had the same problem... The land was right out on the Potamac River... No DSL, no Cable, and Satellite has terrible u/l speeds and requires at least a 1 year contract... I had to go with dial-up (Netzero)... I actually wasn't able to stay there as long as I wanted to just because I couldn't get any work done.
 
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catchawave said:
Well I have spent the entire morning checking into getting a DSL connection. And it aint gonna happen. I live in a remote area and there is absoutely no DSL service :(
I called my ISP and talked with them. I told them that I was looking for a couple of things -- first I wanted to go wireless with my new laptop and second, I wanted to be able to call from out of state areas without a long distance charge and I would like faster service that a DSL can provide.
Bad news.... no phone lines out here will give us service for DSL. Maybe in the next year they said.
they do offer a 1-800 # for making dial up connections out of state. So, that's not an issue.
He suggested that if I wanted to use my laptop on vacation, to just go to a cafe, or coffee house that has the wireless hookups and use my wireless card OR just use dial up and use their 1-800 number.
I can try going with a national phone line but the prices are out of sight. And satellite is also way expensive.



Wots the problem with dsl catchawave, no dslam's in the local exchange or is the line length of the copper pairs too long in that area.

Line length could be solved with dslam equipment in the local PCP (primary cross connect) cabinet. Or even FTTP (fibre to the premise) lol long shot.



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Some times that old saying "you get what you pay for" rings true, I feel for you, I'd go crazy without DSL or what ever comcast provides
 
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do currently have satellite tv?

(also the title of this post sounds like a porno "rant on my area"
 
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iLEFTOVERCRACK said:
do currently have satellite tv?

(also the title of this post sounds like a porno "rant on my area"

LOL!!! Yeah, I guess it does.

Yes, I currently have Dish Network for satellite tv. There is one satellite co. here called Beehive that offers satellite hookup for computers. My neighbor has it. I got so tired of checking around, I didn't get a chance to call them today.
We only have Qwest here and where I live, there is no phone line service for the DSL. They said I could try a national phone line service. So for the poster that asked about the phone lines.... I don't know what the problem is out here.
We are a suburb of a suburb. Nothing but farms etc... The closest town is about 10 miles away.
There was one satellite company (don't remember the name of it) that wanted 500.00 for a hook up fee!!! What's that all about?
 
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I was in the same position a couple years ago, no one offered decent broadband service in my area at all. I don't live out in the middle of nowhere so it didn't really make sense to me.
 
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500 just for the hook up holly crap...........they are trying to take you big time
 
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But what is the real advantage of DSL?? Faster right? What else? If I want to go wireless with my laptop - I can get wireless regardless right?
I guess I'm easy to please. Because I'm pretty happy with my desktop at home.
I rarely get videos from anyone and if I do, yes, it can take an hour or longer to download. But when I get that rare video, I just get it downloading and I leave it. I go watch tv or do the dishes or something.
Some pics are slow but I rarely get those too.
Our computer at work is DSL and it is only a little faster than my dial up at home.
I have noticed that Netscape is painfully slow!! But right now I'm using Firefox 1.0 and it works great. There are only a few links that will NOT open in Firefox and I have to use Netscape.
 
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catchawave said:
We have a satellite company but it's very expensive.

Not only is satellite internet expensive...it is the most unreliable of any internet connection. You are better off with dial up.
 
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Not only is satellite internet expensive...it is the most unreliable of any internet connection. You are better off with dial up.

Depending on where you are, I must disagree. My parents live in middle-of-nowhere West Virginia, and thier dial up was worse than useless. 12.8kbps if you were lucky and it dropped all the time. When I had dialup where I live work could be done over dialup. Work could not be done over dialup at my parents WV location. They did not have the choice of DSL or Cable broadband where they live. Not for any price.

They got DirectWay satellite internet. It is expensive to purchase the equipment. It is expensive monthly compared to my DSL or cable which is not available where they are. But it is reliable enough to get work done.

Every time I've visited and take my laptop I know I have quasi-broadband, wireless internet. Yes, the upload speeds suck. Yes, the download speed is not as good as my DSL and let's not even talk about the cable speed pissing contests that people like to get into for some reason, but it IS significantly faster than dialup especially considering the awful lines available in some parts of the country. My mother uses it regularly to run her home based business. My father uses it to work remotely for the small college he works for when the need arises. When I visit my parents I know that I can get work done if needed, as was proven just this last weekend.

Yes, weather will cause signal loss, as I noted when there were some thunderstorms off in the distance, but it wasn't something that happens as often as one might think. It also doesn't happen for very long.

Oh, and this is about as apropos to a Mac switcher forum as me telling you how much I might start watching "Buffy the Vampire Slayer". So to put this back on topic. If you do purchase the required satellite internet equipment, get it set up with a wireless router as DirectWay has their installers do, you will be able to connect your Powerbook, iBook, iMac, or Airport equipped MacMini with no problems. If your MacMini does not have an Airport, you will be able to connect a wire to the wireless router and get satellite broadband that way.

So don't say that satellite broadband is worthless. It might not be worth its price tag for many, but depending on where you are located it might very well be priceless.
 
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Having worked for ISPs for several years, I was there at the beginning of satellite broadband. I watched it "mature" over the years, and it never got any better. In all my years, I have only heard from three people who actually had no problems with it. I have heard thousands of others who have had problems...and those were only the people I talked to. This ratio was more or less equal for the other techs. If you are getting a decent connection, believe me you are the minority. And while the subscriber base for satellite has grown and more satellites have been launched, the connection method is still plagued by the inherent latency. Overall, I can say in my professional opinion, it is the most unreliable method. Here is why (in a very much simplified nutshell):

You are at your computer and you request a webpage in your browser.
That request is sent through your dish to a satellite in a geosyncronous orbit 25,000 miles above the earth.
The satellite then bounces that signal back, down another 25,000 miles to a receiving station.
The receiving station gathers the information on a landline connection, then sends the signal back to the satellite, again 25,000 miles above the earth.
The satellite then relays this back to your dish, down 25,000 miles again.
The information is then displayed in your browser.

Granted, this happens rather quickly, but the request you make has to travel 100,000 miles through thin air and atmosphere before it gets to your system. Should anything from cloud cover to a tree to a interfering transmisson to space debris block that signal, your inherent latency is only increased. Also if something were to go wrong with the satellite, nothing short of a space mission would fix it...and if you think the 4 hour window the TV repairman leaves is long wait, imagine up to a 4 month window (or longer) for NASA to go fix a satellite. Not to mention that at last count I recall, there were only 3 satellites that handle about 800,000 subscribers worldwide. Only two of those (there may be one more by now, I am not certain) were designated for U.S. usage. With the majority of subscribers in the U.S., bandwidth is spread terribly thin.
I have heard that some people (read: very few) get decent connections for download, and the upload always sucks. However if you do have a somewhat decent download, there is an entire litany of restrictions on how much bandwidth you can use. The people who did get a good reception usually got termed real quick because they overshot their bandwidth quota for a day in less than an hour and had to wait at least 24 hours before they could connect again. Yes, there are bandwidth quotas that are cleverly hidden in each TOS for satellite ISPs and yes they can lock your access should you ever exceed that quota. This is due in part to the fact that you also have the FCC to contend with. Your dish does not simply receive like a TV satellite dish does, but it transmits as well. There are miles of FCC codes and regulations that govern satellite transmissions.
Most satellite ISPs also require at least a one year commitment, making your first year cost for service around $1,800 to $2,000 when you factor in equipment cost and installation. Nearly ten times the cost of dialup and about six times the cost of DSL/Cable for one year.
The TOS on Satellite ISPs are horrid...they are worse than wireless phone contracts and credit card user agreements :black:. Having read them (it being required to know the TOS inside and out as part of my job) I would never want to take the gamble on such a spotty system with costs that high. Some people feel that it is their only option though. I stongly suggest getting a copy of the TOS before you order any service with a satellite ISP and make sure you not only read the entire TOS, but make sure that you understand it as well. If you have any questions at all, make sure you get them answered before you give any information or order request to the ISP.
 
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ONTOPIC:
I'd recommend getting a Airport extreme basestation and the cheapest dialup plan you can find:

The Airport Extreme station has a built-in 56K modem, so you can use that to wirelessly connect to the internet whenever you need it.
Dialup isn't great, but if you won't be doing tons of large downloads, it'll get the job done.

Plus if they do ever introduce DSL, you can still use the Airport Extreme for that too!

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I have heard that some people (read: very few) get decent connections for download, and the upload always sucks. {...} This is due in part to the fact that you also have the FCC to contend with. Your dish does not simply receive like a TV satellite dish does, but it transmits as well. There are miles of FCC codes and regulations that govern satellite transmissions.
Are you sure about the upload connection?
Here in Germany when 'Skydsl' (as they call it) was launched, it worked like this:

You'd connect to the satellite for downloads and any uploads were taken care of by your regular phone line connection (dialup).
So the information flow was:

Requests (such as accessing a webpage) is sent via dialup connection to the ISP who then send the requested data up to the satellite, which beams it back down to your dish.

The advantage being that the satellite can transmit downloads much faster than your dialup connection can and is available anywhere.

The disadvantages obviously are: Crappy uploads (dialup) and extra costs (dialup connection costs and equipment).

EDIT: Nevermind, I just checked the Directway site:
Q: Do I still need a dial-up modem and telephone line?
A: There is no phone line or dial-up data modem required to use your DIRECWAY service.
 
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Well...I've profesionally supported all types of satcom in my career and I've got some experience with rural telcom as well and I'll tell you point blank...If you think that satellite service isn't better than the stuff these LEC's put out in rural areas over their POTS than you are seriously kidding yourself. I second the earlier comment about seeing POTS lines that are lucky to eke out around 13Kbps. Granted...if you have options other than satellite for an Internet connection...by all means run, don't walk, to sign up for anything that is not satellite. There are only a few technologies that catch my eye for rural broadband...one is this new "network whispering" method and the other are some of the cellular high speed networks going up around the country such as EV-DO and the like. Welcome to life in the country though...you do pay a price to live in relative isolation...and I'm afraid that lack of broadband and other communications option are a few of the things you have to give up for now.
 

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