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I just got back from a three day seminar at The Cove. (the Billy Graham Training center.) Most of the people who were in attendance are in the 60-80 year old age range. I, of course, am in the very young 60 range. ;D

What was very interesting to me (in addition to the seminar :D) was how many times my apple watch was spotted and I was asked to demo it. I know I did over a dozen demonstrations and more than a few were looking to get one. Most of the iPhone users loved the idea of the watch and the integration it offered. I showed them how to text, check mail, showed them pictures, explained about answering a call and told them about the upcoming 2.0 features.

Prior to this if I got asked about my watch, it would be a quick "Oh, that is cool!" type comment and that was it. These people would ask detailed questions and wanted to see it work. Very unexpected.

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Before Apple Watch I rarely use my Contactless debit and credit cards. This was because I had to get my wallet out to get to the cards and once my wallet was in my hand it was just as easy to use cash. Now I use contactless all the time. It's just so easy to not have to think about taking wallet out of pocket, just click my Watch. In fact when I am at work I often go out for a coffee and I no longer bother to take my wallet. Costa, Starbucks, MacD, Marks and Spencer, etc. etc. all let me use the Watch. I have never tried it on my phone but doubt if I would use it so much if I only had the phone.
 
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I finally got my watch setup with my credit card. I had to call my card company and they had to set it up. Unfortunately, the first person I called had no idea what I was talking about so I figured I was doing something wrong. After a couple more frustrating weeks, I called them back and this time the guy knew exactly what to do and now it is all good.

Now if I could only remember to use it. It is right after I have swiped my card I remember I could have used my watch. :Smirk:

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I finally got my watch setup with my credit card. I had to call my card company and they had to set it up. …
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Now if I could only remember to use it. It is right after I have swiped my card I remember I could have used my watch. :Smirk:

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Hmmm…??? I find that hard to believe that you would have had any such difficulty, which almost means that it will probably be almost impossible for just the average user to do. ;)

Sure doesn't sound like Apple's "…it's just so simple" short setup spiel. :eek: :[
 

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Maybe I'm old fashioned or just don't trust Apple pay. I keep getting these hints from my bank to use it. It's not that it's hard to setup, for me it's a matter of trust. I have had my personal and business credit cards hacked several times. Each time our bank has made it good and provided new credit cards. I now have the type of credit card with the embedded chip like European banks have been using for ages. We'll see how long it takes the hackers to figure it out. Apple pay, no way. (see, it even rymes) O:)
 

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Apple pay, no way. (see, it even rymes)

So, there's two of us who are "old fashioned", or smart, or been there before. Of course Apple Pay has a seductive appeal and I'm not denying that. But there's Lisa, a young veteran, who just remembers about it after using her card. Thing is, it's almost as fast to use your card and, in the UK at least, transactions with Apple Pay are limited to £20 (maybe going up to £30 in September). And if you like "contactless", it's been around on our cards for quite a while. I don't think Apple Pay is ground breaking, but I do understand and acknowledge the appeal it has. Good fortune to those who use it.

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I should point out that the credit card I used has been hijacked three times now. I am on my third number. The card company has been fabulous about it and always taken care of refunding the charges. The last time it was over $200 charged by iTunes. I called Apple and they had no record those charges on my account. I found it interesting they could not search using the card number. I did ask.

Now I have an app from them that immediately tells me when a charge is made - about time! Anyway, they have earned my trust. But I confess to being a creature of habit and I just haven't gotten into the habit - yet.

The issue with the setup was that - and maybe I missed this somewhere - you have to set up the card not only on your iPhone but also separately on the Watch. While I could set up the card on my iPhone without calling the credit card company, it was not so with the Watch. Unfortunately, I got a customer service person who had no idea what I was talking about. A follow up call got me someone who knew what to do. I figured they had probably just finished up their in-service training on "how to" for setting up the Watch! ;D

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In point of fact, Apple Pay is FAR more secure than any payment system you are using now.
 
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That's sure a relief to read and I guess the latest reports aren't related…??? :Smirk:

‘Biggest Apple hack ever’ hits iPhones – how to tell if you’re affected
'Biggest Apple hack ever' hits iPhones, how to tell if you're affected | Metro News

That article says it applies to jailbroken iPhones only.

Quote - "Palo Alto networks says that the malware only affects jailbroken devices, and appears to be spread by apps on third-party app stores such as Cydia."

So what does this tell us kiddies? Thou shalt not jailbreak thy iPhone saith Apple!! ;D

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In point of fact, Apple Pay is FAR more secure than any payment system you are using now.

Of course it is, after all it's "Apple Pay" so it must be the absolute most secure pay system in the world. O:)

We also thought our "Office of Personnel Management" data base was safe and the numerous other data bases of the US Govt which have been hacked. It's just a matter of time until the hackers figure out how to circumnavigate Apple Pay and clean out some folk's accounts.
 
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I thought I'd report in on my first couple of weeks with the Apple Watch. I received a space gray aluminum 42mm model with the black sports band (other bands will be added in the near future, I suspect, though this one is working out just fine). Given that in Canada the watch now costs $500 for the base model, I'll be the first to say that I'm not sure this will attract the casually curious the way a "at par" $350 would have. As I mentioned in an earlier post, if you're looking at this thing as a super-fitness device or for that purpose, $350 isn't too far outside the realm of the best of dedicated high-quality fitness devices. It's a bit of a luxury, but to be fair it does do a lot.

A number of people have commented that since the Watch is a slave to the iPhone, there's no point to it. I can certainly see how people who haven't spent time with an Apple Watch would think that way, but in fact this is like saying that you don't need a TV remote -- you can just get up and manually change the channel on the set (and yes, you can still do that even on the latest TVs).

I have been cool to the idea of an Apple Watch right the way along since they debuted -- I had no desire to put a watch of any kind back on my wrist, and I'm not known for my athleticism, so I didn't see myself as the target market. I do, however, use my iPhone a lot -- and it turns out that this is (along with the health crowd) is who the Apple Watch is really aimed at. Apple positions it as a fashion accessory, but that's really only for the Edition version (the $10K gold model). Speaking for myself and the other Apple Watch owners I know, we are not much interested in how it looks, and like it for what it does. So what does it do that's worth at least $350?

Well, bearing in mind that your mileage may vary (and I received mine as a gift, though I was at the point where I was ready to buy), I think it primarily comes down to three things.

1. It acts as a "receptionist," if you will, for your iPhone. By this I mean it both moves notifications to your wrist and really (seriously) helps you discern more efficiently what's important and what isn't. For those of you who didn't have a receptionist at your office, he or she would screen phone calls, sort mail and appointments (important versus not important), remind you of tasks and deadlines, screen visitors and other interruptions, give you needed information, and generally make your day easier in dozens of ways, some of which you weren't even fully aware of or didn't fully appreciate.

This isn't just about Siri, though you will use it much, much more when you have a Watch. It's about being able to pare down the notifications to the most important ones (this is key), and quickly peruse them to determine if you need to do something now or later. The pre-set replies to texts and emails are a godsend, and make simple acknowledgements incredibly quick. If they're not enough, you can dictate a personal response -- it's very good at that. The net effect of this is that you don't have to take your iPhone out very often over the course of a day, which may seem odd at first considering what you paid for the thing, but it's actually quite nice. A quick glance or a quick dismissing of an incoming message or phone call takes less than a second, compared to fishing your phone out, looking to see what is making it make noise, and then dismissing it. Taps beat tones every time, and are so much more elegant.

2. The Apple Watch is a powerfully motivating fitness device. Whoever came up with the activity rings idea deserves a raise, it is nothing short of brilliant. A lot of people are just OCD enough that they MUST complete those rings every day. I'm not one of them, but I do now stand, move, and exercise more than I did, because I like seeing the progress, getting the reward (a little update or congratulatory message), and because it is on my wrist all the time, I'm aware of some of the choices I make (elevator or stairs?) and such. I find the measurements of steps and heartbeat very accurate (unlike a cheapie fitness band I tried), the sports band works well even when I get sweaty (and survives the showers), and I'm now looking for a gym so I can try out the workout-measuring app.

I'm one of those people who needs a reason (beyond the conceptual health reasons) to exercise regularly, and for me it turns out that knowing it is being *recorded and measured* is a big motivator. YMMV, but it has already made a modest difference in my health and a big difference in my willingness to do more exercise. This alone would be nearly enough to justify the cost (fitness bands that just count steps and such didn't really do it for me, again they might be fine for others), but when added into what else the Watch can do, this thing looks like a smarter investment (in myself more than anything) every day.

3. Nifty extras. Call me immature, but I like the "**** Tracy effect" of dictating a message or taking a call (without a BT headset, though you can use one) on the Watch. I'm excited to try out Apple Pay. I love feeling the tap on my wrist when I'm supposed to turn left -- and the different sort of tap that tells me when to turn right when driving to Siri's directions (don't have to interrupt the music now!). I like Glancing at stocks, weather, calendar (some of these are on the watch face itself, including my activity progress). I'm impressed at what Siri can do these days. I can see my dinner reservations, my airline boarding pass, what bands are coming to town, when my Uber ride is coming, dictate notes in Evernote, and control Keynote presentations tying up my hands holding/using the iPhone. Sure, none of these things by themselves justify the price tag -- but if you take advantage of the other two main things its good for, it beats the heck out of a cheaper fitness band (or lesser watch, I might add).

One more thing:

4. Live more in the moment. As I mentioned, I use my iPhone a lot. Less for phone calls and more for a mini-computer for when I'm away from my desk, which is as often as possible these days. Because the Watch works as a good receptionist, and keeps my iPhone in my pocket more often, I find my face isn't buried in the thing when I'm out walking or temporarily idle the way it used to be. I don't think I was as bad as some of the younger pedestrians I see around these days that walk like zombies looking at their smartphones, but I do admit I would text while crossing the street -- which is pretty bad. I would put my iPhone on the table at restaurants, or use it while waiting for the food -- sometimes ignoring my companion (who was often doing the same thing).

Now I watch where I'm going all the time, not just in periodic glances upward just in time to avoid walking into someone. Now I talk to my companions at dinner. Now I pay attention at meetings. I wasn't one of those who tries to text and drive, thank heavens, but I was guilty of looking too much at the iPhone when getting directions while driving. Taps have replaced that, so I can keep my eyes more on the road.

And this is watchOS 1. WatchOS 2 is coming out next month and promises a host of improvements. I flat didn't think I would like this thing as much as I do. Except for motivational fitness, it's probably not a life-changer, and thanks to the crappy exchange rate I'm hesitant to recommend one to my Canadian friends who don't need something specific from it (like the list above), but in hindsight do I think it was worth $350US? It's a little extravagant, but I think with watchOS 2 I'll be able to say yes with no caveats.
 

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Nice review chas. Comprehensive and detailed. The watch isn't for everyone, glad to hear you're enjoying your new "toy". :)


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Of course it is, after all it's "Apple Pay" so it must be the absolute most secure pay system in the world. O:)

So you didn't bother to actually read any of the numerous links I provided?

[Ive deleted the rest of this post on the off chance that I've misinterpreted Charlie's comment, and hope he will educate himself on why Apple Pay and some other mobile payment systems are, in fact, much more secure than card-based systems. It's not my opinion, it's a well-established fact.]
 
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So you didn't bother to actually read any of the numerous links I provided?

Actually I did read them. Sorry, but I'm still not convinced enough to use Apple Pay. (I would have replied sooner but we were having data base problems which prevented me from replying. All fixed now.)
 
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Yes, apologies for the duplicate post above; I'd delete the spare if I could.

I'm not trying to convince you that you must use Apple Pay, that's entirely your choice. But implying that its not secure is simply incorrect -- it's more secure than either the magstripe cards or the chip-and-PIN cards used widely outside the US. In addition to the fingerprint identifier, Apple Pay (and as far as I know Google Wallet and Android Pay) doesn't store the full number of the card, encrypts everything that is transmitted, limits transmissions to the issuing bank, tokenizes all personal info (and even the approval from the bank) so as to make even intercepted transmissions useless, and (at least in the case of Apple Pay) deliberately prevents the merchant or Apple from having any information about the transaction. This is far more security than banks provide currently for other systems, and indeed is precisely the reason why Apple Pay has been slow to catch on with merchants: it's too privacy-respecting for them.
 

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Chas; a very neat epistle if I may say so. And this comes from someone who has chosen (for the foreseeable future) not to buy an Apple Watch.

But the following quotes from your post chime in with exactly what makes me cross with the army of iPhone users and if their behaviour was altered for the better, as you say yours has been, then I would wholeheartedly endorse the purchase of the watch for them, at least.

I find my face isn't buried in the thing when I'm out walking
the younger pedestrians I see around these days that walk like zombies looking at their smartphones
I do admit I would text while crossing the street
I would put my iPhone on the table at restaurants, or use it while waiting for the food -- sometimes ignoring my companion (who was often doing the same thing).

Good luck with your new life and new image!

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I'm 10 weeks in to owning my watch, and I have found the health tracking extremely motivating. I will freely admit that I am a (physically) lazy person. I really don't enjoy exercise. But apparently I do like completing circles...

Even to the point that, when my wife and I went away for last weekend and we got to bed time I still had about 25 calories to complete. I asked her not to laugh as I marched on the spot for 10 minutes to hit my target. She laughed. :)
 

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Brilliant example of understated British humour, dbm. Anything else would have taken you above target for the day.

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