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    Quote Originally Posted by dtravis7 View Post
    Um, you should read Anandtech's review on the new 21.5" iMacs display. DEAD ON with no calibration needed. Superb in fact. Both Anand and his partner were knocked out.
    Uh, I have.

    Dead on to WHAT exactly?

    Calibration changes over time and needed to be redone on a regular schedule. In addition, critical color requires different calibration points for different needs. For example a pre-press calibration is different than a web delivery calibration which is also different from a print matching calibration. Finally proper calibration needs to be done at the monitor lever rather than done with the graphic card LUT's. This is not possible with the iMac.

    And calibration is not simply color but its properly controlled luminance as well, yet another iMac weakness.

    The iMac is a nice machine, but its not even close when it comes to critical color.
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    Use whatever makes you happy. The review covers more than just one test on the display. I just did not want people thinking it was not an accurate display and not purchasing due to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtravis7 View Post
    Sorry you disagree with the review. Anand knows his stuff. Few disagree but I guess you do. Use whatever makes you happy.

    You really failed to read and comprehend my reply. Oh well. Anand showed you ONE point of calibration to ONE standard. I don't disagree with this other than it's totally useless in the world of critical color, which was and still is my point.

    If your color needs are pedestrian, then perhaps an iMac will suit you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by infocusinc View Post
    If your color needs are pedestrian, then perhaps an iMac will suit you.
    This is probably taking things a bit too far. To say that the color calibration on newer iMac displays is "pedestrian" might be a bit harsh. If we were talking about some sort of "el cheapo"...$150...off-brand display from Walmart...I would agree.

    Maybe the color calibration on newer iMac's isn't up to the standards you need (which is perfectly fine and understandable)...but to say that the color calibration is pedestrian might be over-stating things a bit.. I'm sure that the Anandtech's review "dtravis7" referred to has some truths to it...since those reviews are always very technical, well written, and objectively assessed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pigoo3 View Post
    This is probably taking things a bit too far. To say that the color calibration on newer iMac displays is "pedestrian" might be a bit harsh. If we were talking about some sort of "el cheapo"...$150...off-brand display from Walmart...I would agree.

    Maybe the color calibration on newer iMac's isn't up to the standards you need (which is perfectly fine and understandable)...but to say that the color calibration is pedestrian might be over-stating things a bit.. I'm sure that the Anandtech's review "dtravis7" referred to has some truths to it...since those reviews are always very technical, well written, and objectively assessed.

    - Nick
    No I hit the nail directly on the head in the CONTEXT of my original post.

    BTW I did not call the the calibration of the monitor "pedestian". Lets review:
    "If your color needs are pedestrian, then perhaps an iMac will suit you."
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    Quote Originally Posted by infocusinc View Post
    BTW I did not call the the calibration of the monitor "pedestian". Lets review:
    "If your color needs are pedestrian, then perhaps an iMac will suit you."
    What I'm REALLY trying to say is...please dial-down the "snarkiness". We like to keep things friendly.

    Thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by pigoo3 View Post
    What I'm REALLY trying to say is...please dial-down the "snarkiness". We like to keep things friendly.

    Thanks,

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    Do you like to keep things fact and context based?
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    Quote Originally Posted by infocusinc View Post
    Do you like to keep things fact and context based?
    If you're a photography professional (which it appears you are)...you probably know a lot more about color calibration than most of us...and color calibration is probably much more important to you.

    All opinons are appreciated. We at Mac-Forums like to keep things friendly and respectful.

    Thank you,

    - Nick

    p.s. We are certainly off-topic. If there are any further comments regarding posting style...please send me a PM. Thanks.
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    I just don't want users here thinking the iMacs display is not accurate as the review shows it is and not just one test either. Some of the displays that we are talking about here earlier cost as much as the iMac. I would HOPE they are accurate! Grin

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    I can understand where Craig is coming from. As a professional he probably knows more about color correction than most people and since he earns his living that way, he would want the very best in color monitors.

    My iMac is great for what I use it for. I can't tell the difference between a monitor which has been color corrected and one that hasn't been anyway. Solitaire looks pretty good on this iMac monitor!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chscag View Post
    Solitaire looks pretty good on this iMac monitor!
    Ha ha. I remember when you were thinking about (or seriously considering) getting $999 27" Thunderbolt display. Hey...nothings too good or too expensive to play a free solitaire app on!

    And hey...entertainment is entertainment. Solitaire or the latest first person shooter...both look great on a great display!

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    Wow this debate over something I said.. :-p
    Its true the iMacs are not the best displays, then again the NECs cost about 1400 USD. However even ASUS makes a great pre calibrated 27" IPS LED monitor calibrated to 99% of Adobe RGB and 100% sRGB with full CYMK control for 899 USD.
    But my post was geared more to the computers hardware side and I wasn't fully thinking about the monitor. That said, most professional photographers that I know of and follow do use iMacs and Mac Pros both for their post processing. So they can't be that bad. They may however lack on the graphics side for professional printing. As that if I am not mistaken requires a separate preset for the monitor. Which is why the Mac Pro was my choice for commercial graphics design (i.e Magazines and such). But for web graphics and general photography. The iMac displays are fine.

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    I was just looking on Apples page to buy a new 17" MacBook Pro to replace my dying 2009 17" MBP but Apple no longer sell the 17"??

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    That's right, the 17" MacBook Pro was discontinued. However, if you're lucky you may be able to find one in the Apple refurbished store. Also third party resellers still have some in stock that they're advertising. Do some searching and you may be able to find one at a reasonable price.

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