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    Wow, you took apart my rant like that? That wasnt right nor was your lumping me into that group. I always take care of my stuff as well. Sometimes no matter how much you take care of things they break. Thats a fact of life. Nothing lasts forever. The thing is that Im talking about phones in general and youre talking about an iPhone. Now thats great that you got a new one, Im glad to hear it and I already intended to switch over to that once the new one comes out. However many people dont luck out like that. They go through all sorts of ridiculous hoops until they either give up and settle with a refurbished one or they finally get a new phone. All Im saying is that it should be that whenever problems arise with phones, and Im going to say problems in general because if we say 'from normal wear and tear' they can always get very crazy on that and decide that 'normal wear and tear' isnt normal at all, people should first trouble shoot and then, if that doesnt work, give them a new phone. Thats all Im saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NVash View Post
    Wow, you took apart my rant like that? That wasnt right nor was your lumping me into that group. I always take care of my stuff as well. Sometimes no matter how much you take care of things they break. Thats a fact of life. Nothing lasts forever. The thing is that Im talking about phones in general and youre talking about an iPhone. Now thats great that you got a new one, Im glad to hear it and I already intended to switch over to that once the new one comes out. However many people dont luck out like that. They go through all sorts of ridiculous hoops until they either give up and settle with a refurbished one or they finally get a new phone. All Im saying is that it should be that whenever problems arise with phones, and Im going to say problems in general because if we say 'from normal wear and tear' they can always get very crazy on that and decide that 'normal wear and tear' isnt normal at all, people should first trouble shoot and then, if that doesnt work, give them a new phone. Thats all Im saying.
    I'm sorry. I didn't realize you didn't want comments on your rant. Wait, no i'm not.

    I have pretty much learned that those who have to "jump through hoops" to get a company to honor a warranty, and this is also a generalization, are generally not being honest about what is really going on with the product in question. I've gone through several generations of phones in the last 20 years and all of them, to a phone, have only had problems when I did stupid things to them. I will conceded that there are some cheap crap phones out there, but they are not $500+. You pay $60 for a phone that costs $5 to make, you are only getting what you pay for. Expecting a brand new phone in those cases is pretty silly IMO.

    Expecting a phone to be replaced because of "normal wear and tear" is not particularly reasonable and leads back to my comments about taking care of ones things. There is a reason it's called "normal wear and tear". Dropping your phone in the parking lot and smashing the screen isn't "normal wear and tear" when cases abound to protect your investment. Neither is dropping your phone in the toilet. Both are simply the result of carelessness.

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    10 Competition by many for resources and to control & profit from them
    20 Winners rise to top and consolidate distribution controls; losers die off; leaves a minority controlling a majority
    30 Constructs are put in place by the majority via social compact to regulate the minority's behavior relating to distribution
    40 Social compact collapses; winners are killed by their "subjects" and their resources repatriated in some manner
    50 Mayhem, disagreement over redistribution of resources by the majority, fighting for the scraps of the old system and other fun
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    Quote Originally Posted by baggss View Post
    I've always been hard of cell phones until I got my iPhone 3G. First phone that lasted me beyond the contract period. My iPhone 4 had an issue with the home button not working after 8 months of use. Took it to Apple and walked out with a brand new phone at zero cost to me.
    Ditto x2. I was in warranty with my HTC MDA and they still denied my coverage for something that wasn't my fault at all, because they believed to have been caused by "damage" from misuses(they assumed this because of the $#!#& paint had rubbed off.
    “If you are distressed by anything external, the pain is not due to the thing itself but to your own estimate of it; and this you have the power to revoke at any moment.” Marcus Aurelius

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    **** this argument keeps going in circles. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by baggss View Post
    I'm sorry. I didn't realize you didn't want comments on your rant. Wait, no i'm not.
    Im not even going to bother wasting my time arguing. We can agree to disagree here.

    I see where youre coming from and true enough, some people destroy their stuff without a care in the World. Some people end up with phones that dont work too. Dont think that just because it has a $500 price tag its a great phone. Thats a serious mistake sir. I know of more than a few phones that came out costing a ton of money but are still huge piles of junk. I know one thats quite old, is known to be a piece of junk and is still expensive. The old adage 'You get what you pay for' is kinda out the window these days. I know people besides myself who have problems with phones who also take care of their things. You seem to have lucked out and thats great for you but this generalization isnt going to work when youre talking to someone whos seen the side that you clearly have no idea about. Dont try to come at myself or anyone elses throat, as the phrase is, with some junk about not taking care of our stuff. You dont know me, you dont know them. That may be true for the majority, we arent the majority. There are exceptions.

    Quote Originally Posted by idrinorbarsaku View Post
    Ditto x2. I was in warranty with my HTC MDA and they still denied my coverage for something that wasn't my fault at all, because they believed to have been caused by "damage" from misuses(they assumed this because of the $#!#& paint had rubbed off.
    Im confused. Youre agreeing with what was said but yet you didnt get a phone and are angry? Am I missing something here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NVash View Post
    The old adage 'You get what you pay for' is kinda out the window these days.
    No, it's not. The fact that you don't understand it simply illustrates my generalization about you.

    Quote Originally Posted by NVash View Post
    I know people besides myself who have problems with phones who also take care of their things. You seem to have lucked out and thats great for you but this generalization isnt going to work when youre talking to someone whos seen the side that you clearly have no idea about. Dont try to come at myself or anyone elses throat, as the phrase is, with some junk about not taking care of our stuff. You dont know me, you dont know them. That may be true for the majority, we arent the majority. There are exceptions.
    Sure there are always exceptions, but I have noticed that those who whine the loudest and the longest are usually not the exceptions, but the norm. No, I don't know you, but from your previous posts it seems to me that you fall into the group I originally lumped you in with and nothing you have posted since has done anything to give me the impression that I was incorrect in my initial assesement.

    As I said, I have had issues with phones in the past, and all were from my own stupidity, carelessness or just downright idiotic acts.


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    Whine the loudest and longest? Come on, that was just a mini-rant. You dont know what Ive been through to have made that and honestly I dont feel like telling you the story. Youll probably continue on with your point that you think I dont get. Whatever man, I dont even care anymore. Its just the internet. You think Im that guy think it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NVash View Post
    Come on, that was just a mini-rant.
    If that was a "mini-rant" I'd hate to see your full blown version.


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