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    It is time for a new Mac...
    My venerable late 2009 iMac is in need of replacement. It still runs just fine, although a little warmer than I think it should but an external fan keeps it tolerable. The main problem with it is that I cannot edit videos (even lower rez ones in 720) shot on either a Go Pro or a Nikon DSLR, and it takes it time when tweaking RAW photos. Not too bad on the photo side but I can tell it's struggling. I maxed its memory out at 16 several years ago, other than that it is 'stock'.

    I do not do photography/videography professionally, just an enthusiast who likes to stay busy in retirement. I do plan on keeping the 2009 for email and browsing because I have no intentions of having the new Mac even hooked up to the net. Just to the wall plug for juice. It will be a 'working machine', no gaming, no word processing or spreadsheet work, just exploring my potential in photography and videography. 8-)

    Here are my questions.

    Right now I am looking at the 27" iMac. I think the upcoming iMac Pro would be a little overkill for me (I do not plan on making any movies like "Avatar" on it) and it is not available right now anyway. I intend to go to my local Apple store tomorrow or Tuesday and come away with something that will work for me.

    1) 3.8 Ghz or 4.2? It seems they do not charge you extra for the 4.2, at least that is what I just observed on their site.

    2) 2TB Fusion vs 1TB SSD? I presently have several backup drives that I use frequently for photo storage, and right now, the 1TB drive I am using now to talk with you is 85% EMPTY. Yes, you read that right.... I keep a 'clean' HD so it works to it's maximum potential. Is the SSD faster and runs cooler than the Fusion drive?

    3) Memory..... I am thinking that 32 MB would be fine to start out with but am unsure whether it can be upgraded at a later date if needed? If not, I can just max it out right now if need be.

    4) I know this isn't the 'right' part of the forum to ask, but I thought I'd do it anyway. I see that I can get Final Cut installed on the new Mac but is it better than Lightroom? (I do not have Lightroom right now, I have held off buying it because I don't think my old machine here would handle it). Currently I use the Nikon software for editing RAW images and Adobe Premier for videos-(which hasn't been done for quite awhile now due to inability to run smoothly or run at all).

    That's it for now.

    As always, a big TIA to all of those regulars here who help me out from time to time. 8-)

    Cheers!

    Pat
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    Albert Einstein

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    Hi Pat,

    Some answers for your questions.

    1) Yes, there is a difference in price between the two processors, the 4.2 is $200 more than the 3.8.

    2) Personally, I don't like Fusion drives, which are actually 2 separate drives (SSD & HDD). So, the 2TB Fusion has a 128GB SSD and a 2TB HDD. The 1TB SSD would be way overkill, the 512GB would be ok, in my opinion.

    3) Yes, the 27" iMac has memory that is user upgradeable. Since you have 16GB now, I believe you would be fine starting with 16GB from Apple, then if you feel you need more, you can get another 16GB, or get a 32GB kit, to add in.

    4) I'm not familiar with Lightroom, but I believe it is an image/picture editing app, Final Cut is a video editing app. What version of Adobe Premiere are you currently using? It may not be compatible with the new macOS 12?

    Good luck, and I'm sure others will pitch in with their preferences too.
    -- Bob --
    Please backup. Everything has a life cycle, unexpected and warning free. Nothing will last as long as you want it to.

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    Final Cut and LR do different things. FC is a video editor while LR is (to me anyway) the standard for photo editing.

    Good luck with getting a new iMac :-)


    Johann Gambolputty de Von Ausfern....

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    Thanks for the reply, nickyr!

    And thx for clearing up my mis-worded question on LR vs FC. ;-)
    Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.

    Albert Einstein

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    Hey p_rod. I think you asked the same question back in February.

    Not trying to push you into purchasing a new computer. But a 2009 iMac as you know is going on 8 years old. Many folks upgrade between 3-5 years.

    Your Late 2009 3.06ghz core 2 duo 27" iMac has a CPU benchmark score of around 3100. Depending on the exact model...a brand new 2017 27" iMac has a CPU benchmark score of between 13,000 to 18,500 (approximately 400%-600% faster)....and MUCH faster graphics hardware!!! You're not going to go wrong purchasing any 2017 27" iMac!

    Regarding the iMac Pro. Yes I agree. Unless you're doing something SUPER special...have $5000+ to spend...and you're currently "surviving" with a Late 2009 iMac...you don't need an iMac Pro!!!

    - Nick
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    Nick, which benchmarking program are you speaking of? Would love to try it on my 2010 Quad core and see what scores I get.

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    First of all, Ferrar, thank you for your reply. I really appreciate it. 8-) You've convinced me to just go with the SSD drive.

    And Pigoo? Your memory is much better than mine (you must have 128 GB while mine's hovering somewhere back in the KB range ;-)

    But thanks for the processing info.....

    I've decided to just go over to my local Apple store (there is one within walking distance of me, 1.2 miles) tomorrow and just grin and bear it.

    My 2009 iMac (my first Mac that got me away from the Dark Side) just needs to relax and get my mail and continue to serve as a very decent browser and occasional word processor).

    I promise to return here and let you know what 'followed me home' from the Apple store.

    I am sure this new machine will throw me a few curveballs here and there too, so just get ready to provide some more info, here and there, to keep me chugging along!

    Again, thanks to everyone who replied here.

    Of many forums spanning many disciplines, (flying, motorcycles, kayaking, and more) that I've been a member of over the years, this one still tops them all for fast, reliable and friendly advice. And there is something to say about that, considering what's going on "out there' right now.

    Cheers!

    Pat, aka p_rod
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    Quote Originally Posted by dtravis7 View Post
    Nick, which benchmarking program are you speaking of? Would love to try it on my 2010 Quad core and see what scores I get.
    Hey there Dennis. Referring to Geekbench 3:

    http://geekbench.com/geekbench3/

    Cinebench is another benchmarking program I like which also tests video performance...and has a database for comparison to other setups (Windows & Mac):

    https://www.maxon.net/en/products/cinebench/

    HTH,

    - Nick
    - Too many "beachballs", read this: Beachballs
    - Computer seems slower than it used to? Read this for some slow computer tips: Speedup
    - Almost full hard drive? Some solutions. Out of Space
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    Quote Originally Posted by p_rod View Post
    I've decided to just go over to my local Apple store (there is one within walking distance of me, 1.2 miles) tomorrow and just grin and bear it.

    I promise to return here and let you know what 'followed me home' from the Apple store.
    Sounds good p_rod. If you're going to the Apple store...I'm sure something extra WILL be following you home!

    Just two bits of advice. If you're getting a 27" iMac...get it with flash storage...and DON'T get extra RAM. You can always upgrade the RAM yourself later...and Apple charges way to much for RAM (approximately 2x-3x what you can get for somewhere else). To get 16gig of RAM...Apple charges $200...you can get it for $79.99.

    - Nick
    - Too many "beachballs", read this: Beachballs
    - Computer seems slower than it used to? Read this for some slow computer tips: Speedup
    - Almost full hard drive? Some solutions. Out of Space
    - Apple Battery Info. Battery

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    Quote Originally Posted by pigoo3 View Post
    Hey there Dennis. Referring to Geekbench 3:

    http://geekbench.com/geekbench3/

    Cinebench is another benchmarking program I like which also tests video performance...and has a database for comparison to other setups (Windows & Mac):

    https://www.maxon.net/en/products/cinebench/

    HTH,

    - Nick
    Use Cinebench all the time. my Quad iMac beats my quad gaming rig in CPU but not in GPU as I have a quite expensive NVidia card in it.

    Will try Geekbench and see what I get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pigoo3 View Post
    Sounds good p_rod. If you're going to the Apple store...I'm sure something extra WILL be following you home!

    Just two bits of advice. If you're getting a 27" iMac...get it with flash storage...and DON'T get extra RAM. You can always upgrade the RAM yourself later...and Apple charges way to much for RAM (approximately 2x-3x what you can get for somewhere else). To get 16gig of RAM...Apple charges $200...you can get it for $79.99.

    - Nick


    Nick!

    Your two bits of advice were EXCELLENT!

    I am getting the 27" Mac....my old one is that size and I cannot see going smaller. But your tip on the RAM was great! I had planned to just grin and bear it and max it out at 64 GB and be done with it. But as you said, they are awfully proud of their RAM and being mechanically inclined anyway, adding it later shouldn't be too much of a problem.

    As for the SSD, I guess going the 1 TB route will work well too, although on my 1TB iMac now it is about 85% free.... anything "worth" saving goes on at least one external drive and is removed from the main drive to keep it from getting 'constipated'. Having the extra room over the 1/2 gig drive, in the long run, seems the wiser thing to do right now.

    Thank, Nick!

    A lot!

    Cheers!

    Pat

    I am heading over there right now, but it's to basically just talk a few things over. The company my wife retired from still offers their 'ex-employees' a 10% discount on all Apple gear so I'll have to order it online to get the discount.....then just go pick it up. But before I do that, I have a few questions for the techies over there concerning hookups for my external drives, thumb drives, etc.
    Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.

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    Quote Originally Posted by p_rod View Post
    I had planned to just grin and bear it and max it out at 64 GB and be done with it.
    Just for fun I checked what the price comparision would be to upgrade to 64gig of RAM (Apple vs. you):

    - $1400 from Apple.
    - $649.99 if you did it.

    Can buy a lot of burrito's with that savings!

    - Nick
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    - Computer seems slower than it used to? Read this for some slow computer tips: Speedup
    - Almost full hard drive? Some solutions. Out of Space
    - Apple Battery Info. Battery

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    I just checked it myself, Nick.

    Is 8 GB going to be enough to render RAW photos and edit videos?

    TIA!

    Pat
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    I would say get the iMac...check it out...and see how things go. Certainly going to be a heck of a lot faster than your 2009 iMac!

    If 8gig doesn't seem to be enough...then get a RAM upgrade ASAP from OWC (macsales.com). An extra 8gig of RAM (giving you a total of 16gig of RAM) = $79.99.

    - Nick
    - Too many "beachballs", read this: Beachballs
    - Computer seems slower than it used to? Read this for some slow computer tips: Speedup
    - Almost full hard drive? Some solutions. Out of Space
    - Apple Battery Info. Battery

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    That is what I am going to do, Nick. I am presently ordering it right now...the Apple Store was absolutely nuts today....it took about 30 minutes just to talk to someone about connecting cables, etc, etc.

    I will let you know what follows me home in the next day or so!

    Cheers!
    Pat
    Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.

    Albert Einstein

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